Kluwe Kardashian Case Closed

by ILvLamp Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:19 pm

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Eden Prairie, MN (July 18, 2014) – Immediately following the publication of the January 2, 2014, Deadspin article written by Chris Kluwe, the Minnesota Vikings retained former Chief Justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court Eric Magnuson and former U.S. Department of Justice Trial Attorney Chris Madel, two partners of Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi, L.L.P., to complete an independent review of Kluwe’s allegations. Magnuson and Madel were asked to thoroughly and comprehensively investigate three particular allegations by Kluwe and Kluwe’s counsel:
1) Special Teams Coordinator Mike Priefer made offensive and insensitive remarks in Kluwe’s presence.
2) Representatives of the Vikings discouraged Kluwe from publicly supporting marriage equality and had knowledge of the Priefer comments prior to the Deadspin article publication on January 2, 2014.
3) Kluwe’s activism for marriage equality was the reason for his release from the Vikings on May 6, 2013.
Magnuson, Madel and others spent nearly six months conducting interviews with 31 individuals, reviewing electronically-stored information and multiple paper documents and compiling requests for specific materials from various interviewees. At least one former FBI Special Agent attended each of the interviews. The investigators also retained two independent football experts – former 30-year NFL Player Personnel Executive Jerry Angelo and two-time Pro Bowl and 17-year NFL punter Craig Hentrich – to analyze Kluwe’s performance as a punter during the 2012 season, aside from reviewing the Vikings football operations documented review and grading of Kluwe throughout the 2012 season.
When the investigation was complete, in order to further maintain objectivity and integrity, the Vikings engaged a nationally-prominent law firm in employment matters and one of the top-ranked and recognized firms for diversity, Littler Mendelson P.C. and partner Donald Prophete, to independently review and assess the findings and provide a report to the Vikings from an employment law perspective. Littler Mendelson P.C. has directly revealed the following (Littler Mendelson’s full conclusions can be found at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] via a PDF):
1) Mike Priefer’s Alleged Homophobic Comments
“There is support in the record through (Cullen) Loeffler that Priefer made the single homophobic statement to Kluwe…Loeffler said that Priefer made this statement after becoming frustrated that Loeffler and Kluwe were not focused on football during practice…There is no support in the record that Priefer made any additional statements of this nature.”
2) Attempts to Discourage Kluwe’s Marriage Equality and Equal Rights Activism
“We also did not find sufficient evidence to establish that members of the Vikings organization attempted to discourage Kluwe from engaging in marriage equality or equal rights activism…The record supports the conclusion that players and management were concerned about the distraction that Kluwe’s activism was creating, as opposed to the nature and content of his activism. The record does not support the contention that members of management and the coaching staff were focused on discouraging Kluwe based on the nature of his activism.”
3) Vikings Management’s Knowledge of Priefer’s Comments
“Kluwe himself stated that he never reported any of Priefer’s alleged statements to management, Human Resources, or anyone else other than in discussions with Loeffler and Walsh. The investigation did reveal, however, that sometime on May 2, 2013, Kluwe discussed Priefer’s alleged statement with Les Pico, Vikings Executive Director of Player Development/Legal. According to Kluwe, he asked Loeffler to sign an affidavit stating that he had heard Priefer make homophobic statements. Loeffler then met with Pico to discuss the affidavit…According to Kluwe, it did not appear that Pico was going to tell anyone else about what was discussed in the meeting out of concern that doing so would jeopardize Loeffler’s job with the Vikings…Pico said that Kluwe was adamant that Pico keep the entire conversation confidential and not disclose any part of it to anyone in the Vikings organization. Pico recalled telling Kluwe that their conversation was confidential. Kluwe then told Pico that he knew his time with the Vikings was finished and that all he wanted to do was to compete in the NFL and not be ‘blackballed’; if he was not blackballed, then ‘there would be no issue.’ Pico said “Kluwe was adamant that he was not making a report to Pico because [Kluwe] knew he ‘was already done with the Vikings.’ Kluwe told Pico he wanted the affidavit because it would provide him ‘leverage.’ …During his interview, investigators asked Kluwe why he did not bring Priefer’s comments to the attention of others within the Vikings organization sooner. Kluwe explained that at the time, he did not know he was going to be released from the Vikings so he thought Priefer’s remarks were ‘a momentary unpleasant thing’ that would pass as they moved on to the next year.”
4) Kluwe’s Release in 2013
“The record fails does not support the claim that the Vikings released Kluwe because of his activism on behalf of same-sex marriage, but instead because of his declining punting performance in 2012 and potentially because of the distraction caused by Kluwe’s activism as opposed to the substance of such…The objective evidence, in addition to the subjective evaluation of coaches, special teams staff members and external evaluators, simply contradict Kluwe’s view of his performance in 2012. No interviewed witness agreed that Kluwe had a good year in 2012…There is also the issue of Kluwe’s age (31) and salary ($1.3 million) in 2012 and slated salary of $1.4 million in 2013. Several coaching staff members noted that Kluwe’s age, previous knee injury and leg strength showed a punter in decline. Also, the Vikings were able to sign drafted punter (Jeff) Locke for $405,000, less than one third of Kluwe’s scheduled 2013 salary…In grading Kluwe, (Angelo and Hentrich) considered criteria, including but not limited to: (1) get-off time; (2) gross punting average; (3) net punting average; (4) hang time; (5) directional punting; and (6) pooch punting…Angelo said that if he held the title of General Manager for the Minnesota Vikings for the 2012 season, he would have “in all likelihood” released Chris Kluwe as the Vikings punter.”
5) Hostile Work Environment
“We did not find any support for the contention that the Vikings lacked institutional controls with respect to its workplace environment as it relates to homophobia. To the contrary, the evidence establishes that the Wilf Family Foundation has been a strong supporter of equal rights, specifically anti-bullying, for the LGBT community. Other than the statement allegedly made by Priefer, the record is devoid of any support for the contention that the team harbored a homophobic hostile work environment.”
In conclusion, the Vikings organization and ownership does not accept, condone or tolerate any type of insensitive or disparaging remarks. Based on the investigation conducted by Madel and Magnuson and the conclusions by Prophete, the team will take the following internal steps:
1) Special Teams Coordinator Mike Priefer will be required to:
· Serve a three-game suspension without pay during the 2014 regular season.
· The three-game suspension may be reduced to two games provided he also attend individualized anti-harassment, diversity and sexual-orientation sensitivity training.
2) Enhanced Sensitivity Training
All Vikings employees, coaches and players have been required to attend annual anti-harassment, diversity and sexual-orientation sensitivity training for the past several years. The Vikings will continue to look at and take additional steps to improve these educational programs.
In addition, as a continued effort to support human rights and anti-hate causes, the Vikings will make a total donation of $100,000 to LGBT rights charitable and educational organizations.
The following statements are from Coach Priefer and Vikings Owners Mark and Zygi Wilf:
I owe an apology to many people - the Wilf family, the Minnesota Vikings organization and fans, my family, the LGBT community, Chris Kluwe and anyone else that I offended with my insensitive remark. I regret what has occurred and what I said. I am extremely sorry but I will learn from this situation and will work on educating others to create more tolerance and respect. – Mike Priefer

We want to express our appreciation to former Chief Justice Magnuson and Mr. Madel of Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi for their highly professional and thorough efforts to compile a complete independent investigation that would find the facts. They and their colleagues proceeded where the evidence led them and were in full control of the investigation at all times.
We are also grateful to Donald Prophete and Littler Mendelson for their detailed work in reviewing the investigative information and providing conclusions on the allegations in their report. We are pleased that they concluded that there was no wrongdoing on the club’s part and that the decision to release Chris was based on his on-field performance.
We are very disappointed with some of the findings contained within the report. As we have said in the past, we consistently strive to create – and believe we have – a supportive, respectful and accepting environment for our players, coaches and staff, and we strongly disassociate the club from the statement that Coach Priefer made. Coach Priefer is a good man, and we know that he deeply regrets the comment. We do not believe that this error in judgment should define him.
Accountability, however, is important both on and off the field. In this instance, Coach Priefer fell short of what is expected. Accordingly, we have decided to suspend Coach Priefer without pay for the first three games of the 2014 regular season. In addition, he will be required to satisfactorily complete specialized workplace training that will include an emphasis on the managing of diversity and sexual orientation. If Coach Priefer completes this training and conducts himself in accordance with our workplace policies, we will consider reducing the length of his suspension by one game.
We will continue to hold all team members accountable and take the outlined critical steps to further educate everyone within our organization both individually and collectively. We will accept nothing less than creating a franchise that Minnesotans and Vikings fans everywhere can be proud of on and off the field. – Mark Wilf/Zygi Wilf

by JnC4GB Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:46 pm

"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.

by ILvLamp Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:10 pm

I think the report may do more harm to him than the Vikings from the current bits that are being released. He apparently had been joking to coaches about the victims in the Sandusky rape case (e.g., cutting holes in his pants and bending over telling them not to rape him) for starters. He couldn't deny it when asked in the investigation either. He knew others witnessed it. I hope the full report does get released. It'll expose him for the fraud that he is...

And, yes, I agree with you--Ziggy did an excellent job with the PR side of this.

by **Admin** Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:44 pm

JnC4GB wrote:"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.

Or maybe this:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:05 am

ILvLamp wrote:I think the report may do more harm to him than the Vikings from the current bits that are being released. He apparently had been joking to coaches about the victims in the Sandusky rape case (e.g., cutting holes in his pants and bending over telling them not to rape him) for starters. He couldn't deny it when asked in the investigation either. He knew others witnessed it. I hope the full report does get released. It'll expose him for the fraud that he is...

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[ltr]Over half the team did it for over a month, including asking him if he "raped any little boys lately," repeatedly, in front of coaches.[/ltr]
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by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:08 am

Missing the point here, LvMy.

Priority should've been to make this all GO AWAY.

And on that score....EPIC FAIL

by Guest Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:32 am

Admin wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.
Or maybe this:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Or Maybe this applies more than anything BRO!

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...and is actually more accurate.

But don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies.

Thor

by ILvLamp Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:22 am

JnC4GB wrote:Missing the point here, LvMy.

Priority should've been to make this all GO AWAY.

And on that score....EPIC FAIL

It's evident that Kluwe's intentions were not sincere--he's in this thing for the attention and because he can't accept the fact that his performance has declined (the Raiders cut him as well). His tweets are proving this more and more. He would have found another angle to remain relevant--there is no "making this go away." As for him suing the Vikings, so the report will come out, that was a smoke screen as well. Did you know that him and his attorney sent them an email earlier to request that it not be made public? Something tells me there's even more to come to reveal his true character. Yes, it would've been perfect if they could've made this go away, but that's not how it works with frauds like Kluwe. His intentions were never genuine to begin with (as suspected). There's not much more they could have done. It's the same reason you don't cave to an extortionist--it will never be enough for them. I hope he will also ask the team to donate the money he thinks he's going to make to the victims of the Sandusky case that he found to be so hilarious as he paraded around the locker room like a clown with the seat of his pants cut out. He better get to tweeting an apology and start taking a stand for abused children. Total hypocrite...sigh...

by **Admin** Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:51 am

Thor11 wrote:
Admin wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.
Or maybe this:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Or Maybe this applies more than anything BRO!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

...and is actually more accurate.

But don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies.

Thor

I guess you REALLY are a whiney Bitch. I suspected it for some time, but your actions here kinda prove it. Maybe your here to support YOUR punter??? LMAO. Apparently being named Thor, causes ones sense of humor to disappear.

by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:15 am

You are still missing the point.

Forget Chris Kluwe. At this point what you, and to a much more important extent, the Minnesota Vikings, are losing sight of is the objective, which is not winning a pissing contest with their former punter, but in putting this story six feet below ground -forever.

The PR strategy of

"Kluwe made a Sandusky joke! That means he isn't really a victimized human-rights advocate, but is in truth a hypocritical, sick, anal-sex advocate who doesn't care about raped children!"

is short-sighted and stupid.

It's a strategy that clearly scratches the itch of homers like you, but it's a big-picture loser.
It just draws more flies to the shit stain. Capisce?

by ILvLamp Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:47 am

JnC4GB wrote:You are still missing the point.

Forget Chris Kluwe. At this point what you, and to a much more important extent, the Minnesota Vikings, are losing sight of is the objective, which is not winning a pissing contest with their former punter, but in putting this story six feet below ground -forever.

The PR strategy of

"Kluwe made a Sandusky joke! That means he isn't really a victimized human-rights advocate, but is in truth a hypocritical, sick, anal-sex advocate who doesn't care about raped children!"

is short-sighted and stupid.

It's a strategy that clearly scratches the itch of homers like you, but it's a big-picture loser.
It just draws more flies to the shit stain. Capisce?

Yup--I get it. I addressed it in my previous response, but you ignored it. And why "forget" Kluwe? I'm curious to hear how you feel about his stance now. You previously suggested that his stance was sincere and that I was an idiot for believing otherwise. Yes, you still think I'm an idiot, but do you still think he's sincere about his motives for all of this?

by MB20 Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:33 am

ILvLamp wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:You are still missing the point.

Forget Chris Kluwe. At this point what you, and to a much more important extent, the Minnesota Vikings, are losing sight of is the objective, which is not winning a pissing contest with their former punter, but in putting this story six feet below ground -forever.

The PR strategy of

"Kluwe made a Sandusky joke! That means he isn't really a victimized human-rights advocate, but is in truth a hypocritical, sick, anal-sex advocate who doesn't care about raped children!"

is short-sighted and stupid.

It's a strategy that clearly scratches the itch of homers like you, but it's a big-picture loser.
It just draws more flies to the shit stain. Capisce?

Yup--I get it. I addressed it in my previous response, but you ignored it. And why "forget" Kluwe? I'm curious to hear how you feel about his stance now. You previously suggested that his stance was sincere and that I was an idiot for believing otherwise. Yes, you still think I'm an idiot, but do you still think he's sincere about his motives for all of this?

If there was any doubt before, his tweet about him having knowledge of two "well-known Vikings being caught in a compromising situation with an underage girl" exposes him as a vindictive, bitter, self-serving piece of shit. And if that really happened, and he sat on knowledge of it until he could use it as leverage in his crusade, then he deserves whatever is coming his way.

by duck Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:41 pm

Yup... turns out Kluwe is indeed a sleazeball.

However, I still think he's a refreshingly good writer for a jock.

Woody Allen is a creep but I still like his movies. Brett Favre is an asshole but I still respect his play on the field. I think you get where I'm coming from.

by MB20 Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:42 pm

duck wrote:Yup... turns out Kluwe is indeed a sleazeball.

However, I still think he's a refreshingly good writer for a jock.

Woody Allen is a creep but I still like his movies. Brett Favre is an asshole but I still respect his play on the field. I think you get where I'm coming from.

Meh... an articulate asshole is still just an asshole.

by duck Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:46 pm

MB20 wrote:
duck wrote:Yup... turns out Kluwe is indeed a sleazeball.

However, I still think he's a refreshingly good writer for a jock.

Woody Allen is a creep but I still like his movies. Brett Favre is an asshole but I still respect his play on the field. I think you get where I'm coming from.

Meh... an articulate asshole is still just an asshole.

Of course... but he's still articulate too. Very Happy

by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:47 pm

MB20 wrote:

Meh... an articulate asshole is still just an asshole.

Hey! Suspect

by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:17 pm

ILvLamp wrote:
... You previously suggested that his stance was sincere and that I was an idiot for believing otherwise.

This is not true.
I never made any comment whatsoever about whether Kluwe's accusations were legitimate. How the fuck would I know?
What I called you an "idiot" about was your statement that his advocacy of gay-marriage rights only existed as his clever back-up plan to sue the Vikings when he got cut.

"Stance" is a loaded word here. His stance advocating gay marriage or his stance that the Vikings cut him because of it?

Two. Separate. Things.

by MB20 Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:39 pm

JnC4GB wrote:
MB20 wrote:

Meh... an articulate asshole is still just an asshole.

Hey!

I know- he'd fit right in here with us douchebags.

by JnC4GB Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:56 pm

MB20 wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:
MB20 wrote:

Meh... an articulate asshole is still just an asshole.

Hey!
I know- he'd fit right in here with us douchebags.

by ILvLamp Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:26 pm

JnC4GB wrote:

ILvLamp wrote:
... You previously suggested that his stance was sincere and that I was an idiot for believing otherwise.

This is not true.
I never made any comment whatsoever about whether Kluwe's accusations were legitimate. How the fuck would I know? No, but you suggested it, which is what I wrote. Why would you respond the way you did if you had NO opinion regarding his accusations? Obviously you believed them to be legit--duh. Even a bubblehead such as myself could see that.

What I called you an "idiot" about was your statement that his advocacy of gay-marriage rights only existed as his clever back-up plan to sue the Vikings when he got cut.
That was not my statement--it's your paraphrase of one sentence from a post that listed several reasons for his exploitation of the issue/movement. Go back and read the last paragraph of the original post that sums up what my belief was/is. As it stands now, it's becoming very clear that this "idiot" wasn't too far off from what his intentions were/are.

"Stance" is a loaded word here. His stance advocating gay marriage or his stance that the Vikings cut him because of it?

Two. Separate. Things.
Put on your big-boy undies and answer BOTH.

by Guest Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:23 am

Admin wrote:
Thor11 wrote:
Admin wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.
Or maybe this:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Or Maybe this applies more than anything BRO!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

...and is actually more accurate.

But don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies.

Thor
I guess you REALLY are a whiney Bitch. I suspected it for some time, but your actions here kinda prove it. Maybe your here to support YOUR punter??? LMAO. Apparently being named Thor, causes ones sense of humor to disappear.

So is this how your game works MR Admin?? Say something inflammatory and try to get me to bite with some hellaciously nasty rebuttal at you so You can bar me AGAIN??...because that seems to be your game and I'm just not going there...real classy on your part.

...so just have a real nice day there boss.

Thor

by **Admin** Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:24 am

Thor11 wrote:
Admin wrote:
Thor11 wrote:
Admin wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:"Case Closed"?

They WISH.

I'll give Ziggy this, he spent his money well on this damage control work. Did the best that he could do.

Here's the problem: They refuse to release the report of the "independent" finding (LOL) warts and all.
They should have.
Take the hit...and then it'd be OVER.

Instead, now Kluwe and his attorney will file suit basically just to force the Vikings to reveal the report in full. The bottom line of which is a multi-year long serving of meat to the media about this story.

In short, cocky and stupid.
You know, the words that should be on the Viking's helmets instead of the sperm, errr, horns.
Or maybe this:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Or Maybe this applies more than anything BRO!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

...and is actually more accurate.

But don't let reality get in the way of your fantasies.

Thor
I guess you REALLY are a whiney Bitch. I suspected it for some time, but your actions here kinda prove it. Maybe your here to support YOUR punter??? LMAO. Apparently being named Thor, causes ones sense of humor to disappear.
So is this how your game works MR Admin?? Say something inflammatory and try to get me to bite with some hellaciously nasty rebuttal at you so You can bar me AGAIN??...because that seems to be your game and I'm just not going there...real classy on your part.

...so just have a real nice day there boss.

Thor

Again... you prove you have no sense of humor. Again you prove your are a whiny bitch. This has become common knowledge to all here 'cept you. The fact that you feel my reply is "Hellaciously Nasty" Says volumes about you. Frankly.... I don't even know why I am explaining, as it is obviously way over your level of comprehension. Just take a couple MIDOL tablets and have a nap.... things will get better in a few days- DEAR! By the way..... what the fuck is "hellaciously" any ways???? LMAO. Truth is.... I am & have been a life long Steelers fan. I know... that alone is enough to qualify me for membership in hell. But my focus here is more with you being unable to laugh at anything- anything remotely directed at you or your beloved Vikings. DUDE.... get a thicker skin... lighten up and laugh. Holy shit.... It must be painful to have an ass so tight!

by JnC4GB Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:50 am

ILvLamp wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:

ILvLamp wrote:
What I called you an "idiot" about was your statement that his advocacy of gay-marriage rights only existed as his clever back-up plan to sue the Vikings when he got cut.

That was not my statement--it's your paraphrase of one sentence from a post that listed several reasons for his exploitation of the issue/movement. Go back and read the last paragraph of the original post that sums up what my belief was/is. As it stands now, it's becoming very clear that this "idiot" wasn't too far off from what his intentions were/are.

::sigh::
Okay, here it is once again:
Kluwe certainly wasn't cut because of his beliefs and advocacy for gays. Kluwe drew that card when he knew his performance was declining and they had a better punter to replace him. Where was his support for gays before then? He's simply exploiting an issue that he isn't even sincere about to remain relevant and rationalize his failure as a punter. If Kluwe was honestly offended by the remarks and wanted to take a stand, he would have done so immediately when it happened--not after he got canned a year later. He was pushing the envelope for a reason and he picked a "hot button" issue to do it with.

See the bolded part there? THAT is the "idiot" (or homerism) part.

Now, the second. separate. thing. is the here and now regarding his fight with the Vikings. Is he sincere? Is he exploiting shit for his personal reasons? Maybe...maybe not. Go ahead and have all the opinions in the world about it. It is a debatable issue. I have NO PROBLEM with anything you or what anyone else might believe.

But back to the first thing.

Ya see, Kluwe could be a total douchebag and IS exploiting his prior civil-rights advocacy work as a CYA method for himself today, BUT even if that were true, to suggest that his civil-rights advocacy work was ALWAYS fake, didn't exist, or was a master plan diabolically hatched years before he actually got cut is, as I said before, idiotic or paint-thinner breathing homerism.

Hope I've made myself clear.

by Guest Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:53 am

\\ wrote:

So is this how your game works MR Admin?? Say something inflammatory and try to get me to bite with some hellaciously nasty rebuttal at you so You can bar me AGAIN??...because that seems to be your game and I'm just not going there...real classy on your part.
Again... you prove you have no sense of humor. Again you prove your are a whiny bitch. This has become common knowledge to all here 'cept you. The fact that you feel my reply is "Hellaciously Nasty" Says volumes about you. Frankly.... I don't even know why I am explaining, as it is obviously way over your level of comprehension. Just take a couple MIDOL tablets and have a nap.... things will get better in a few days- DEAR! By the way..... what the fuck is "hellaciously" any ways???? LMAO. Truth is.... I am & have been a life long Steelers fan. I know... that alone is enough to qualify me for membership in hell. But my focus here is more with you being unable to laugh at anything- anything remotely directed at you or your beloved Vikings. DUDE.... get a thicker skin... lighten up and laugh. Holy shit.... It must be painful to have an ass so tight!

Whatever DUDE....

Bottom line ------RESPECT The God Of Thunder....

Comprehend that, love.

Thor

by ILvLamp Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:56 am

JnC4GB wrote:
ILvLamp wrote:
JnC4GB wrote:

ILvLamp wrote:
What I called you an "idiot" about was your statement that his advocacy of gay-marriage rights only existed as his clever back-up plan to sue the Vikings when he got cut.

That was not my statement--it's your paraphrase of one sentence from a post that listed several reasons for his exploitation of the issue/movement. Go back and read the last paragraph of the original post that sums up what my belief was/is. As it stands now, it's becoming very clear that this "idiot" wasn't too far off from what his intentions were/are.

::sigh::
Okay, here it is once again:
Kluwe certainly wasn't cut because of his beliefs and advocacy for gays. Kluwe drew that card when he knew his performance was declining and they had a better punter to replace him. Where was his support for gays before then? He's simply exploiting an issue that he isn't even sincere about to remain relevant and rationalize his failure as a punter. If Kluwe was honestly offended by the remarks and wanted to take a stand, he would have done so immediately when it happened--not after he got canned a year later. He was pushing the envelope for a reason and he picked a "hot button" issue to do it with.

See the bolded part there? THAT is the "idiot" (or homerism) part.

Now, the second. separate. thing. is the here and now regarding his fight with the Vikings. Is he sincere? Is he exploiting shit for his personal reasons? Maybe...maybe not. Go ahead and have all the opinions in the world about it. It is a debatable issue. I have NO PROBLEM with anything you or what anyone else might believe.

But back to the first thing.

Ya see, Kluwe could be a total douchebag and IS exploiting his prior civil-rights advocacy work as a CYA method for himself today, BUT even if that were true, to suggest that his civil-rights advocacy work was ALWAYS fake, didn't exist, or was a master plan diabolically hatched years before he actually got cut is, as I said before, idiotic or paint-thinner breathing homerism.

Hope I've made myself clear.

-Kluwe's 2012 performance was below average (ranked 31st)
-He was a 31-year-old punter entering the final year in his contract in 2012
-It's logical to assume that the vikings would be looking for a punter in the upcoming draft
-They would save on salary cap, which would erase his projected $1.45 mill from the salary cap
- Kluwe's "gay rights" advocacy began in 2012

You're smart--you do the math. jocolor

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