The plan backfired

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history, but IMO this is the biggest bunch of politically correct horseshit to come down the pike in a long, long time. 

Let's say they do manage to get the name of the franchise changed. What does that actually do to improve the day-to-day reality of many poor, disenfranchised Native Americans? Nothing. From a political standpoint, this is just another of a long, long line of things that feckless, stand-for-nothing Democrats "do" to make it appear that they are actually accomplishing something. Don't worry about shit like the economy or effectively dealing with the criminals on Wall Street or fixing the clusterfuck that Obamacare predictably became- just grandstand a little more because THAT is what the country really needs right now. I fucking hate that party with the heat of a thousand suns. Useless fucking dicks.

And assholes like Florio and Peter King should just get fucked already. What a couple of self-important douchebags. And, like the Democrats whose cause they so fervently back, they are a couple of do-nothing jerkoffs, too. What are they actually doing to improve the day-to-day lives of Native Americans? Writing about how offensive the name of a fucking football team is? Florio should go back to making up stories about how Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients, and King would be better off writing about his travel and coffee experiences as if anyone gave a shit about them.

Plus, like Snyder and the name of his football team or not, he bought the Redskins' brand when he bought the team. I don't know exactly you can compensate him monetarily for what is such an integral part of his investment. Also, why after decades of the team being the Redskins is the name all of a sudden so offensive? The name hasn't been used as a racial slur in decades.

So, so much about this strikes a raw nerve with me.

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history, but IMO this is the biggest bunch of politically correct horseshit to come down the pike in a long, long time. 

Let's say they do manage to get the name of the franchise changed. What does that actually do to improve the day-to-day reality of many poor, disenfranchised Native Americans? Nothing. From a political standpoint, this is just another of a long, long line of things that feckless, stand-for-nothing Democrats "do" to make it appear that they are actually accomplishing something. Don't worry about shit like the economy or effectively dealing with the criminals on Wall Street or fixing the clusterfuck that Obamacare predictably became- just grandstand a little more because THAT is what the country really needs right now. I fucking hate that party with the heat of a thousand suns. Useless fucking dicks.

And assholes like Florio and Peter King should just get fucked already. What a couple of self-important douchebags. And, like the Democrats whose cause they so fervently back, they are a couple of do-nothing jerkoffs, too. What are they actually doing to improve the day-to-day lives of Native Americans? Writing about how offensive the name of a fucking football team is? Florio should go back to making up stories about how Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients, and King would be better off writing about his travel and coffee experiences as if anyone gave a shit about them.

Plus, like Snyder and the name of his football team or not, he bought the Redskins' brand when he bought the team. I don't know exactly you can compensate him monetarily for what is such an integral part of his investment. Also, why after decades of the team being the Redskins is the name all of a sudden so offensive? The name hasn't been used as a racial slur in decades.

So, so much about this strikes a raw nerve with me.

This supposedly is America.   There isn't anything out there that every american agrees upon.  They booed Santa Claus in Philly after all, right?    

Is the term *redskin* offensive to some?  Undoubtedly.  So where's the connection to the owner of the team with that name for the past 60 years being required to change it?  IT'S HIS FUCKING TEAM!  He can name it the Washington Gay Superheros if he chooses--so Thor gets his panties in a rope...who the fuck cares?    

A chick smiled at me on the path through the park this beautiful morning.  She was young and pretty.  I smiled back.  But truth be told, I found her ass offensive.  Not quite two water buffalo's fighting under a blanket...but close.  Does that mean she should be forced to change it?  Why should I give-a-fuck?  IT'S HER FUCKING ASS!  If it's objectionable to me--you just won't find me interacting with it any time soon.  Presto--equilibrium restored.  Same with these ass-hats whining about the 'skins...  You don't like it--then spend your dollar elsewhere.  If enough people do that--then Dannyboy will share the sentiment to change the name.  In the meantime, as I've said before, there isn't a fucking thing in the world anybody can do to successfully force Dannyboy to change it.  NO-THING.  If the league starts leaning on him--I'd have somebody come in and do an economic impact study on the impact in $$$$ a name chance would have an the value/prestige of the brand and tell the league if they'd like to pony up say...$250-$300M then I'll shift to the Washington Bravehearts (which Dannyboy's buddy scored the trademark on over a year ago--you ALWAYS cover your ass    )  In that absence--the name stays...

Thor11 wrote:HD
A mustachioed hunky guy smiled at me on the path through the park this beautiful morning.  He was young and studly.  I smiled back.


So, how about being a little more accurate and honest when you make statements of fact in here HD...just like you do about me... OK bro??!!


Thor

You just make this shit too easy, Thor.  It's borderline abuse of the vulnerable.  Now--if I believed in hell, it's shit like this that could stamp my boarding pass without standing in line to be fondled by some $9/hr fartknocker looking for a new friend--so please, I beg you--borrow or steal another at least ten-pack of IQ points so I can at least enjoy your idiocy without reaching for the checkbook every time for another donation to the March of Dimes, eh?     

_HD_ wrote:

Thor11 wrote:HD
A mustachioed hunky guy smiled at me on the path through the park this beautiful morning.  He was young and studly.  I smiled back.


So, how about being a little more accurate and honest when you make statements of fact in here HD...just like you do about me... OK bro??!!


Thor

Accurate and honest in my statements--just like I do about you, Thor?  LOL.  


You just make this shit too easy, Thor.  It's borderline abuse of the vulnerable.  Now--if I believed in hell, it's shit like this that could stamp my boarding pass without standing in line to be fondled by some $9/hr fartknocker looking for a new friend--so please, I beg you--borrow or steal another at least ten-pack of IQ points so I can at least enjoy your idiocy without reaching for the checkbook every time for another donation to the March of Dimes, eh?     

_HD_ wrote:

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history, but IMO this is the biggest bunch of politically correct horseshit to come down the pike in a long, long time. 

Let's say they do manage to get the name of the franchise changed. What does that actually do to improve the day-to-day reality of many poor, disenfranchised Native Americans? Nothing. From a political standpoint, this is just another of a long, long line of things that feckless, stand-for-nothing Democrats "do" to make it appear that they are actually accomplishing something. Don't worry about shit like the economy or effectively dealing with the criminals on Wall Street or fixing the clusterfuck that Obamacare predictably became- just grandstand a little more because THAT is what the country really needs right now. I fucking hate that party with the heat of a thousand suns. Useless fucking dicks.

And assholes like Florio and Peter King should just get fucked already. What a couple of self-important douchebags. And, like the Democrats whose cause they so fervently back, they are a couple of do-nothing jerkoffs, too. What are they actually doing to improve the day-to-day lives of Native Americans? Writing about how offensive the name of a fucking football team is? Florio should go back to making up stories about how Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients, and King would be better off writing about his travel and coffee experiences as if anyone gave a shit about them.

Plus, like Snyder and the name of his football team or not, he bought the Redskins' brand when he bought the team. I don't know exactly you can compensate him monetarily for what is such an integral part of his investment. Also, why after decades of the team being the Redskins is the name all of a sudden so offensive? The name hasn't been used as a racial slur in decades.

So, so much about this strikes a raw nerve with me.

Extremely well said in every respect...


This supposedly is America.   There isn't anything out there that every american agrees upon.  They booed Santa Claus in Philly after all, right?    


Is the term *redskin* offensive to some?  Undoubtedly.  So where's the connection to the owner of the team with that name for the past 60 years being required to change it?  IT'S HIS FUCKING TEAM!  He can name it the Washington Gay Superheros if he chooses--so Thor gets his panties in a rope...who the fuck cares?    


A chick smiled at me on the path through the park this beautiful morning.  She was young and pretty.  I smiled back.  But truth be told, I found her ass offensive.  Not quite two water buffalo's fighting under a blanket...but close.  Does that mean she should be forced to change it?  Why should I give-a-fuck?  IT'S HER FUCKING ASS!  If it's objectionable to me--you just won't find me interacting with it any time soon.  Presto--equilibrium restored.  Same with these ass-hats whining about the 'skins...  You don't like it--then spend your dollar elsewhere.  If enough people do that--then Dannyboy will share the sentiment to change the name.  In the meantime, as I've said before, there isn't a fucking thing in the world anybody can do to successfully force Dannyboy to change it.  NO-THING.  If the league starts leaning on him--I'd have somebody come in and do an economic impact study on the impact in $$$$ a name chance would have an the value/prestige of the brand and tell the league if they'd like to pony up say...$250-$300M then I'll shift to the Washington Bravehearts (which Dannyboy's buddy scored the trademark on over a year ago--you ALWAYS cover your ass    )  In that absence--the name stays...


Speaking of Donald Sterling--his botex not workin' bimbo did him the grandest of favors by releasing that tape.  $2 BILLION dollars for the Clippers...  Are you fucking kidding me?!!  4X the highest amount the next highest NBA franchise has ever sold for ($500M--Milwaukee Bucks)...  But that's not even the best part.  The best part is he has very astutely put his wife in control of the sale which he, due to the $$$$, is privately geeked over but publicly opposes.  Why?  Forced Sale provision dictates that a full one-half of the sale price is sheltered from the capital gains calculation under a forced sale.  He'll put up a half-assed fight to protect the provision--then relent.  In reality, this is the best fucking thing that could have ever happened to him.  He was probably awake at night wondering how he could ever shelter his heirs from the inheritance tax that would have prevented them from keeping the asset.  Interestingly--that is why Jack Kent Cooke's heirs had to sell the 'skins to Dannyboy to begin with upon his death.


Finally, anybody who does not have Indian blood finding themselves concerned about this issue is a waste of plasma, IMO.  Take the misguided butt-hurt and bring it on down to the soup kitchen or animal shelter or to a nursing home and bring flowers and a smile to brighten someone's day.  Make a difference with the inclination.  As MB pointed out--redskins or no redskins, most native americans in this country still live impoverished with no future for anything else...and a changing of the name of a football team will have ZERO net effect in the quality of anyone's life...rendering the whole campaign useless and absurd to begin with.

duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history, but IMO this is the biggest bunch of politically correct horseshit to come down the pike in a long, long time. 

Let's say they do manage to get the name of the franchise changed. What does that actually do to improve the day-to-day reality of many poor, disenfranchised Native Americans? Nothing. From a political standpoint, this is just another of a long, long line of things that feckless, stand-for-nothing Democrats "do" to make it appear that they are actually accomplishing something. Don't worry about shit like the economy or effectively dealing with the criminals on Wall Street or fixing the clusterfuck that Obamacare predictably became- just grandstand a little more because THAT is what the country really needs right now. I fucking hate that party with the heat of a thousand suns. Useless fucking dicks.

And assholes like Florio and Peter King should just get fucked already. What a couple of self-important douchebags. And, like the Democrats whose cause they so fervently back, they are a couple of do-nothing jerkoffs, too. What are they actually doing to improve the day-to-day lives of Native Americans? Writing about how offensive the name of a fucking football team is? Florio should go back to making up stories about how Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients, and King would be better off writing about his travel and coffee experiences as if anyone gave a shit about them.

Plus, like Snyder and the name of his football team or not, he bought the Redskins' brand when he bought the team. I don't know exactly you can compensate him monetarily for what is such an integral part of his investment. Also, why after decades of the team being the Redskins is the name all of a sudden so offensive? The name hasn't been used as a racial slur in decades.

So, so much about this strikes a raw nerve with me.

Extremely well said in every respect...


This supposedly is America.   There isn't anything out there that every american agrees upon.  They booed Santa Claus in Philly after all, right?    


Is the term *redskin* offensive to some?  Undoubtedly.  So where's the connection to the owner of the team with that name for the past 60 years being required to change it?  IT'S HIS FUCKING TEAM!  He can name it the Washington Gay Superheros if he chooses--so Thor gets his panties in a rope...who the fuck cares?    


A chick smiled at me on the path through the park this beautiful morning.  She was young and pretty.  I smiled back.  But truth be told, I found her ass offensive.  Not quite two water buffalo's fighting under a blanket...but close.  Does that mean she should be forced to change it?  Why should I give-a-fuck?  IT'S HER FUCKING ASS!  If it's objectionable to me--you just won't find me interacting with it any time soon.  Presto--equilibrium restored.  Same with these ass-hats whining about the 'skins...  You don't like it--then spend your dollar elsewhere.  If enough people do that--then Dannyboy will share the sentiment to change the name.  In the meantime, as I've said before, there isn't a fucking thing in the world anybody can do to successfully force Dannyboy to change it.  NO-THING.  If the league starts leaning on him--I'd have somebody come in and do an economic impact study on the impact in $$$$ a name chance would have an the value/prestige of the brand and tell the league if they'd like to pony up say...$250-$300M then I'll shift to the Washington Bravehearts (which Dannyboy's buddy scored the trademark on over a year ago--you ALWAYS cover your ass    )  In that absence--the name stays...


Speaking of Donald Sterling--his botex not workin' bimbo did him the grandest of favors by releasing that tape.  $2 BILLION dollars for the Clippers...  Are you fucking kidding me?!!  4X the highest amount the next highest NBA franchise has ever sold for ($500M--Milwaukee Bucks)...  But that's not even the best part.  The best part is he has very astutely put his wife in control of the sale which he, due to the $$$$, is privately geeked over but publicly opposes.  Why?  Forced Sale provision dictates that a full one-half of the sale price is sheltered from the capital gains calculation under a forced sale.  He'll put up a half-assed fight to protect the provision--then relent.  In reality, this is the best fucking thing that could have ever happened to him.  He was probably awake at night wondering how he could ever shelter his heirs from the inheritance tax that would have prevented them from keeping the asset.  Interestingly--that is why Jack Kent Cooke's heirs had to sell the 'skins to Dannyboy to begin with upon his death.


Finally, anybody who does not have Indian blood finding themselves concerned about this issue is a waste of plasma, IMO.  Take the misguided butt-hurt and bring it on down to the soup kitchen or animal shelter or to a nursing home and bring flowers and a smile to brighten someone's day.  Make a difference with the inclination.  As MB pointed out--redskins or no redskins, most native americans in this country still live impoverished with no future for anything else...and a changing of the name of a football team will have ZERO net effect in the quality of anyone's life...rendering the whole campaign useless and absurd to begin with.

Good point about Sterling's windfall.  I wasn't tracking the numbers but now that you bring them to our attention, he's got to be chortling and wishing his girlfriend had released more of his stupid ramblings.

I never knew about that forced sale provision either... thanks for the education.

throttleplate wrote:I would change it

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throttleplate wrote:I would change it

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throttleplate wrote:I would change it

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Throttle, please tell me that's not what happens to Filipino girls once they hit the American diet.    

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duck wrote:

throttleplate wrote:I would change it

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Throttle, please tell me that's not what happens to Filipino girls once they hit the American diet.    

its true,they hit american soil and its calorie time,here in the phils its dried fish 3 times a day for the locals

_HD_ wrote:

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history

Extremely well said.

JnC4GB wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history

Extremely well said.

JnC4GB wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

MB20 wrote:Ugh... maybe I'm on the wrong side of history

Extremely well said.

JnC4GB wrote:Anyone up for some pancakes?

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Sometimes the entire culture evolves, and as people who exist within the culture, we evolve along with it. The evolution can be seismic—making films with derisive attitudes toward women, gay people, or minorities less palatable, for example.

Duck was correct in saying that it's "only a matter of time." 
Whether you choose to be out in front of it, go along with it when it occurs, or to stand on your porch, shaking your fist and yelling at kids to get off your lawn is entirely up to you.

Change can be difficult to accept, especially when it is forced upon us. It's why I always try to keep this Bob Dylan line in mind: Those not busy being born are busy dying.

Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, my friends.

JnC4GB wrote:Anyone up for some pancakes?

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Sometimes the entire culture evolves, and as people who exist within the culture, we evolve along with it. The evolution can be seismic—making films with derisive attitudes toward women, gay people, or minorities less palatable, for example.

Duck was correct in saying that it's "only a matter of time." 
Whether you choose to be out in front of it, go along with it when it occurs, or to stand on your porch, shaking your fist and yelling at kids to get off your lawn is entirely up to you.

Change can be difficult to accept, especially when it is forced upon us. It's why I always try to keep this Bob Dylan line in mind: Those not busy being born are busy dying.

Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, my friends.

duck wrote:

JnC4GB wrote:Anyone up for some pancakes?

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Sometimes the entire culture evolves, and as people who exist within the culture, we evolve along with it. The evolution can be seismic—making films with derisive attitudes toward women, gay people, or minorities less palatable, for example.

Duck was correct in saying that it's "only a matter of time." 
Whether you choose to be out in front of it, go along with it when it occurs, or to stand on your porch, shaking your fist and yelling at kids to get off your lawn is entirely up to you.

Change can be difficult to accept, especially when it is forced upon us. It's why I always try to keep this Bob Dylan line in mind: Those not busy being born are busy dying.

Old dogs CAN learn new tricks, my friends.

You make a good point about cultures evolving, JnC.  The mindset of Americans is completely different in 2014 than it was in 1914 (before the advent of WW 1) and no doubt will be completely different in 2114.  Our perceptions of women and minorities, for example, have changed dramatically since the post-Teddy Roosevelt era.  It's entirely possible that in 2114 white Americans will be a scorned minority group.

As I've said many times before, I do not see the compelling need to change the name of the Redskins.  I don't think the term is meant in a derogatory sense and the graphics on the team logo are dignified and in no way insulting or provocative.  (In contrast, I feel the Cleveland Indians' logo is indeed a racist caricature.)  Many Native Americans have no issue with the name of the Washington Redskins and if Snyder is throwing some money at Indian causes, where's the beef?  Much ado about nothing, IMHO.

Having said that, I also don't understand the rigid RESISTANCE to change the name.  Teams move to different cities all the time and often change names in the process.  Uniform changes are a dime a dozen.  What's the big deal about changing the name from the Redskins to the Bravehearts or whatever?  Especially if the NFL picks up the tab for any related marketing costs and throws a few extra dollars in Snyder's pocket.

Is this where you draw the line in the sand??  I think not.

Rightly or wrongly, Snyder is going to be pressured into making the change.  
Really?  I must have missed something, Duck...  Just exactly how might they go about that and prevail?  What force of leverage do they have to *pressure* Dannyboy realistically?

I think he should just negotiate the best deal he can from the NFL... and just get on with it.

Again--you've got it all backwards...  Negotiate the best deal he can from the NFL?  Dannyboy doesn't have anything he needs to be proactive about negotiating.  His position is from a footing of strength--the precedent...the status quo...  Can't you see the NFL has zero--ZIPPO--nada.  Why? 80 years of precedent...and the whole foundation of american jurisprudence is founded on precedent.  Dannyboy will hold out until the NFL sweetens it's offer over and over if it's that important to them.  It's like money in the bank to him.  Finally, at some point, Dannyboy will score his number and possibly relent--of course being outwardly packaged as *sacrificing for the right and better way* thus scoring all the goodwill and political capital he can with it, but no mistake...Dannyboy doesn't do anything in business that doesn't make the ass cheek tingle that presses against his wallet in the ass of his pants...     

Maybe in 2114 he can rename the team to the Whiteskins.  

JnC4GB wrote:Y'know, I think I've shown many times in the past I have no problem expressing butthurt. When I choose to bitch and whine I own it...and will take whatever shit comes my way. I put it out there after all. 


But this ain't about me or my feelings..
It ain't about ME.

It's simply my take on what's right and what's wrong AND how it will ultimately play out. In reality, you and now, especially, MB seem to be the guys with throbbing nerves screaming in pain about this issue.

Here's another thing, in the MANY posts we've had on this issue I can't remember even one time attacking your character over it. God knows, it is an issue in which I could have...

Just because you and MB disagree with me about this doesn't mean I think you are assholes (knew that already ), we just disagree over the things we think are more important than others.

Well now--isn't that all just fuckin' dandy...