This makes Thor thoooo thor....

_HD_ wrote:Damn, huh Thor?   It could be a press plant leveraging a friendship just to quell the rumors...but you may just need to find yourself a new fantasy top, little hammerboy...  


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Welllll, this doesn't surprise me...I'm just wondering who planted it--the Packer organization or Rodgers. Someone is getting a bit anxious about that Michael Sam coverage. Perhaps Kevin's hush money is running out?    

_HD_ wrote:Damn, huh Thor?   It could be a press plant leveraging a friendship just to quell the rumors...but you may just need to find yourself a new fantasy top, little hammerboy...  


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duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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_HD_ wrote:Damn, huh Thor?   It could be a press plant leveraging a friendship just to quell the rumors...but you may just need to find yourself a new fantasy top, little hammerboy...  


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Dumbass.....ala Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley......it's all been done before. Staging is a built in PR tool for celebrities,,,,of course someone of your 'elevated' social status should have discovered this at some point, hmmm HD??

...oh and don't worry, I would never infringe upon your home field advantage with A-Rod you have in that 'top' department. I am way too busy with my lady friends helping me by spit shining my BIG HAMMER....



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Oh?!  I think I understand, Thor!  You mean it's like a completely contrived thing to mislead the public away from the truth--which is exactly the opposite!  Almost like a prop of falsehood...  I totally get it!  Thanks Thor.  Now I understand why you carry that big hammer and talk about how big it is all the time.  It's all STAGING to lead one away from discovering the truth--which, if I follow correctly, means you actually have a tiny little hammer you're trying to cover!  Thanks Thor!  I get you now, little peckerwood!    

throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

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_HD_ wrote:Damn, huh Thor?   It could be a press plant leveraging a friendship just to quell the rumors...but you may just need to find yourself a new fantasy top, little hammerboy...  


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Dumbass.....ala Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley......it's all been done before. Staging is a built in PR tool for celebrities,,,,of course someone of your 'elevated' social status should have discovered this at some point, hmmm HD??

...oh and don't worry, I would never infringe upon your home field advantage with A-Rod you have in that 'top' department. I am way too busy with my lady friends helping me by spit shining my BIG HAMMER....



Thor

Oh?!  I think I understand, Thor!  You mean it's like a completely contrived thing to mislead the public away from the truth--which is exactly the opposite!  Almost like a prop of falsehood...  I totally get it!  Thanks Thor.  Now I understand why you carry that big hammer and talk about how big it is all the time.  It's all STAGING to lead one away from discovering the truth--which, if I follow correctly, means you actually have a tiny little hammer you're trying to cover!  Thanks Thor!  I get you now, little peckerwood!    

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duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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Courage to come out?  I hear that said all the time.  I don't think it's courageous necessarily.  More likely--WEAK.  Consider this:  Already Sam has come out making the thinly-veiled suggestion that a number of teams passed on him in the draft simply because he is gay.  That really he would have been drafted higher if not for his divulging his sexual orientation.  You see what a carnival-fuck this guy is going to be, right?  Anything negative that happens to him forevermore will be rationalized by himself and the butt-hurt liberal crowd as being a by-product of his homosexuality.  That means if he gets benched, traded, released--anything--the next thing you know, you've got another Chris Kluwe on your hands working feverishly to make it all your fault and himself into the victim of his own choices in agenda, in this case-- sexual orientation...  Does that sound courageous to you?


It was all set up the minute this dude came out.  He knows the reality is that there are still many out there who will discriminate against him for being gay.  He further knows that revealing himself as gay will propagate that discrimination--so why did he do it?  So he could reflect indignant disgust when it happens?  It's because somewhere inside he wants to be the victim.  He wants to be the martyr.  He wants somebody/something external to blame.  Does that meet your definition of strong or courageous?  


So--who does he really have to blame?  You make your choices and you live with the consequences...it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, black, white, pink, purple or green...  Well...purple...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  I'll have to get back to you on that one.  That could be a legit disability...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 


I can tell you already that Fisher will regret drafting this guy...


I wouldn't have drafted this dude in a million years...  Not because he's gay--I literally couldn't give a fuck...but because of everything that goes along with it... His sexual orientation is irrelevant.   It never would have been an issue and it should never have been made an issue.  Since he readily chose to make it one--this dude has no one but himself to blame for what it brings about...

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throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

Maybe they like each other?  Besides, 34 isn't old, eh?

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throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

Maybe they like each other?  Besides, 34 isn't old, eh?

34 isn't old? Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!

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duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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Courage to come out?  I hear that said all the time.  I don't think it's courageous necessarily.  More likely--WEAK.  Consider this:  Already Sam has come out making the thinly-veiled suggestion that a number of teams passed on him in the draft simply because he is gay.  That really he would have been drafted higher if not for his divulging his sexual orientation.  You see what a carnival-fuck this guy is going to be, right?  Anything negative that happens to him forevermore will be rationalized by himself and the butt-hurt liberal crowd as being a by-product of his homosexuality.  That means if he gets benched, traded, released--anything--the next thing you know, you've got another Chris Kluwe on your hands working feverishly to make it all your fault and himself into the victim of his own choices in agenda, in this case-- sexual orientation...  Does that sound courageous to you?


It was all set up the minute this dude came out.  He knows the reality is that there are still many out there who will discriminate against him for being gay.  He further knows that revealing himself as gay will propagate that discrimination--so why did he do it?  So he could reflect indignant disgust when it happens?  It's because somewhere inside he wants to be the victim.  He wants to be the martyr.  He wants somebody/something external to blame.  Does that meet your definition of strong or courageous?  


So--who does he really have to blame?  You make your choices and you live with the consequences...it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, black, white, pink, purple or green...  Well...purple...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  I'll have to get back to you on that one.  That could be a legit disability...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 


I can tell you already that Fisher will regret drafting this guy...


I wouldn't have drafted this dude in a million years...  Not because he's gay--I literally couldn't give a fuck...but because of everything that goes along with it... His sexual orientation is irrelevant.   It never would have been an issue and it should never have been made an issue.  Since he readily chose to make it one--this dude has no one but himself to blame for what it brings about...

Jeez HD, I don't think you're grasping the enormity of this event.  Sam came out as a gay man in a jock culture that is decidedly homophobic and clearly decades behind the rest of American society.  No player has done that before.  You think that's... WEAK??

It's hard to tell how this is going to play out.  It's uncharted territory.

You suggest that he's setting things up so he can feed a martyr complex but I think that's an incredibly jaundiced spin.  To the contrary, I get the feeling that he's going to work extra hard at his craft to become as good of a football player as he can be.

The man was indeed drafted into the NFL and has become a media darling but he still has many obstacles before him.  It wouldn't surprise me if he became the target of cheap shots on the field and subtle -- or even overt -- ostracism from other players, including his own teammates.  I don't think Sam is going to have an easy path.

Mind you, I'm glad St. Louis drafted him and not Green Bay.  Although I support the long term cause, I wouldn't want my team to endure the media circus pioneering it.

But I guess I have a lot more respect for the man than you do.

throttleplate wrote:

duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

Maybe they like each other?  Besides, 34 isn't old, eh?

34 isn't old?  Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!

at 34 she has already hit the fuckin wall,major face plant and her ex mostly reamed the crap out of her every hole.I am willing to bet her bung hole is just slightly tighter than her front door.Fuck I am 53 and my wife is 31,arod needs to come to the Philippines and hook up.

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duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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Courage to come out?  I hear that said all the time.  I don't think it's courageous necessarily.  More likely--WEAK.  Consider this:  Already Sam has come out making the thinly-veiled suggestion that a number of teams passed on him in the draft simply because he is gay.  That really he would have been drafted higher if not for his divulging his sexual orientation.  You see what a carnival-fuck this guy is going to be, right?  Anything negative that happens to him forevermore will be rationalized by himself and the butt-hurt liberal crowd as being a by-product of his homosexuality.  That means if he gets benched, traded, released--anything--the next thing you know, you've got another Chris Kluwe on your hands working feverishly to make it all your fault and himself into the victim of his own choices in agenda, in this case-- sexual orientation...  Does that sound courageous to you?


It was all set up the minute this dude came out.  He knows the reality is that there are still many out there who will discriminate against him for being gay.  He further knows that revealing himself as gay will propagate that discrimination--so why did he do it?  So he could reflect indignant disgust when it happens?  It's because somewhere inside he wants to be the victim.  He wants to be the martyr.  He wants somebody/something external to blame.  Does that meet your definition of strong or courageous?  


So--who does he really have to blame?  You make your choices and you live with the consequences...it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, black, white, pink, purple or green...  Well...purple...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  I'll have to get back to you on that one.  That could be a legit disability...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 


I can tell you already that Fisher will regret drafting this guy...


I wouldn't have drafted this dude in a million years...  Not because he's gay--I literally couldn't give a fuck...but because of everything that goes along with it... His sexual orientation is irrelevant.   It never would have been an issue and it should never have been made an issue.  Since he readily chose to make it one--this dude has no one but himself to blame for what it brings about...

Jeez HD, I don't think you're grasping the enormity of this event.  Sam came out as a gay man in a jock culture that is decidedly homophobic and clearly decades behind the rest of American society.  No player has done that before.  You think that's... WEAK??

It's hard to tell how this is going to play out.  It's uncharted territory.

You suggest that he's setting things up so he can feed a martyr complex but I think that's an incredibly jaundiced spin.  To the contrary, I get the feeling that he's going to work extra hard at his craft to become as good of a football player as he can be.

The man was indeed drafted into the NFL and has become a media darling but he still has many obstacles before him.  It wouldn't surprise me if he became the target of cheap shots on the field and subtle -- or even overt -- ostracism from other players, including his own teammates.  I don't think Sam is going to have an easy path.

Mind you, I'm glad St. Louis drafted him and not Green Bay.  Although I support the long term cause, I wouldn't want my team to endure the media circus pioneering it.

But I guess I have a lot more respect for the man than you do.

I understand your position, Duck...and I would have greater buy-in to that position had Sam been a more highly-touted prospect who was actually potentially sacrificing something through coming out.  In this case with Sam--many considered him a marginally-draftable, borderline prospect and indeed was selected in the 7th round by the Rams with the 249th pick.  For some reason with him--based on his comments, it strikes me that his revelation of sexual-orientation was set up to be leveraged more as an excuse for his likely impending failure (when you consider the likelihood of a 7th round talent even making a team--let alone anything more) and for career prospects in leveraging post-release celebrity and the hyped *courage* surrounding his revelation--than having anything to do with real courage...  Real courage requires risk and sacrifice--and how many 7th rounders have anything to lose?  You're right--I'm not impressed...

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duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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Well stated Duck and I agree. Nothing like a media circus to grind the gears of the good running machine. I know how crazy things got in Minny w/Favre here in '09. Luckily his great year helped neutralize the potentially ill effects. But all in all, not something you want in your backyard.

Thor

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duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

Maybe they like each other?  Besides, 34 isn't old, eh?

34 isn't old?  Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!

at 34 she has already hit the fuckin wall,major face plant and her ex mostly reamed the crap out of her every hole.I am willing to bet her bung hole is just slightly tighter than her front door.Fuck I am 53 and my wife is 31,arod needs to come to the Philippines and hook up.

duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

duck wrote:This is the kind of stuff we don't want to get caught up in.  I support gay rights and yadda yadda yadda.  There are undoubtedly dozens of other gay players in the NFL who don't have Sam's courage to come out.  However the media is going to slobber all over this story all year long and that distraction is NOT going to be a positive for the St. Louis Rams football program.

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Courage to come out?  I hear that said all the time.  I don't think it's courageous necessarily.  More likely--WEAK.  Consider this:  Already Sam has come out making the thinly-veiled suggestion that a number of teams passed on him in the draft simply because he is gay.  That really he would have been drafted higher if not for his divulging his sexual orientation.  You see what a carnival-fuck this guy is going to be, right?  Anything negative that happens to him forevermore will be rationalized by himself and the butt-hurt liberal crowd as being a by-product of his homosexuality.  That means if he gets benched, traded, released--anything--the next thing you know, you've got another Chris Kluwe on your hands working feverishly to make it all your fault and himself into the victim of his own choices in agenda, in this case-- sexual orientation...  Does that sound courageous to you?


It was all set up the minute this dude came out.  He knows the reality is that there are still many out there who will discriminate against him for being gay.  He further knows that revealing himself as gay will propagate that discrimination--so why did he do it?  So he could reflect indignant disgust when it happens?  It's because somewhere inside he wants to be the victim.  He wants to be the martyr.  He wants somebody/something external to blame.  Does that meet your definition of strong or courageous?  


So--who does he really have to blame?  You make your choices and you live with the consequences...it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight, black, white, pink, purple or green...  Well...purple...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  I'll have to get back to you on that one.  That could be a legit disability...   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 


I can tell you already that Fisher will regret drafting this guy...


I wouldn't have drafted this dude in a million years...  Not because he's gay--I literally couldn't give a fuck...but because of everything that goes along with it... His sexual orientation is irrelevant.   It never would have been an issue and it should never have been made an issue.  Since he readily chose to make it one--this dude has no one but himself to blame for what it brings about...

Jeez HD, I don't think you're grasping the enormity of this event.  Sam came out as a gay man in a jock culture that is decidedly homophobic and clearly decades behind the rest of American society.  No player has done that before.  You think that's... WEAK??

It's hard to tell how this is going to play out.  It's uncharted territory.

You suggest that he's setting things up so he can feed a martyr complex but I think that's an incredibly jaundiced spin.  To the contrary, I get the feeling that he's going to work extra hard at his craft to become as good of a football player as he can be.

The man was indeed drafted into the NFL and has become a media darling but he still has many obstacles before him.  It wouldn't surprise me if he became the target of cheap shots on the field and subtle -- or even overt -- ostracism from other players, including his own teammates.  I don't think Sam is going to have an easy path.

Mind you, I'm glad St. Louis drafted him and not Green Bay.  Although I support the long term cause, I wouldn't want my team to endure the media circus pioneering it.

But I guess I have a lot more respect for the man than you do.

I understand your position, Duck...and I would have greater buy-in to that position had Sam been a more highly-touted prospect who was actually potentially sacrificing something through coming out.  In this case with Sam--many considered him a marginally-draftable, borderline prospect and indeed was selected in the 7th round by the Rams with the 249th pick.  For some reason with him--based on his comments, it strikes me that his revelation of sexual-orientation was set up to be leveraged more as an excuse for his likely impending failure (when you consider the likelihood of a 7th round talent even making a team--let alone anything more) and for career prospects in leveraging post-release celebrity and the hyped *courage* surrounding his revelation--than having anything to do with real courage...  Real courage requires risk and sacrifice--and how many 7th rounders have anything to lose?  You're right--I'm not impressed...

So his lower spot in the draft order diminishes the impact of this historical event??  I don't see it that way.  First round, fourth round or seventh round, the first openly gay player is going to have to deal with a lot of shit.  As I mentioned before, possible cheap shots on the field... ostracization... and of course the media circus.

Furthermore, my understanding is that Sam was "supposed" to be a much higher round pick.  He dropped to the seventh round because he was a hot potato.  Most teams weren't willing to deal with the baggage that is sure to follow him.  If he had been drafted in, say, the third or fourth round, as many draft experts projected, would your assessment of his "courage" have changed?

He was generally projected to go in the third or fourth round?  Not that I recall.  Hold on--I'll look that up...    

JnC4GB wrote:"Courage? I don't think it's courageous necessarily.  More likely--WEAK. You see what a carnival-fuck this girl is going to be, right?  Anything negative that happens to her forevermore will be rationalized by herself and the butt-hurt liberal crowd as being a by-product of her race.  That means if she fails anything--the next thing you know, you've got another Robert F. Kennedy on your hands working feverishly to make it all our fault and her into the victim of her own choices in agenda, in this case-- race...  Does that sound courageous to you?"

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throttleplate wrote:

duck wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

throttleplate wrote:what the hell does arod want with that old trash bag,fake tits and all?

Maybe they like each other?  Besides, 34 isn't old, eh?

34 isn't old?  Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!

at 34 she has already hit the fuckin wall,major face plant and her ex mostly reamed the crap out of her every hole.I am willing to bet her bung hole is just slightly tighter than her front door.Fuck I am 53 and my wife is 31,arod needs to come to the Philippines and hook up.

Hey Throttle, have you ever considered a career as an advice columnist, like Dear Abby?  I think you've got a gift here.