Great Effort by 300 Spartans

ffaralli wrote:Milani, getting tired of hearing about TT retooling the D.

The last 2 years, he has concentrated on D...and we don't have 1 impact player on D out of those drafts yet.

ffaralli wrote:Milani, getting tired of hearing about TT retooling the D.

The last 2 years, he has concentrated on D...and we don't have 1 impact player on D out of those drafts yet.

ffaralli wrote:Milani, you are correct.

Lets see who effed up today, Hyde, Bahktiari, Mulumba on several different occastions. Each one cost us points, one way or the other.

All our backups are rookies, many UDFAs, TT favorites.

I watched the games yesterday and earlier today, most of these teams pick up a veteran guy as a backup. 

That is how it used to be, when a veteran lost a step, he became a backup. Today teams cut or don't resign him.

Part of it is the Cap, of course.

That is the difference between Ron Wolf and TT. Wolf goes out and gets Wilkerson to play OT (in 1996) and TT get Backhtiari/Barclay.

He is wasting Rodgers best years with this bullshit....it was apparent today also.

George Allen used to say, "for each rookie that starts, he'll cost you at least 1 game a year."

No way in hell a team half made up of low-round picks and UDFAs can beat a team of top ten draft choices.

That is where we are now.

FF

ffaralli wrote:Milani, you are correct.

Lets see who effed up today, Hyde, Bahktiari, Mulumba on several different occastions. Each one cost us points, one way or the other.

All our backups are rookies, many UDFAs, TT favorites.

I watched the games yesterday and earlier today, most of these teams pick up a veteran guy as a backup. 

That is how it used to be, when a veteran lost a step, he became a backup. Today teams cut or don't resign him.

Part of it is the Cap, of course.

That is the difference between Ron Wolf and TT. Wolf goes out and gets Wilkerson to play OT (in 1996) and TT get Backhtiari/Barclay.

He is wasting Rodgers best years with this bullshit....it was apparent today also.

George Allen used to say, "for each rookie that starts, he'll cost you at least 1 game a year."

No way in hell a team half made up of low-round picks and UDFAs can beat a team of top ten draft choices.

That is where we are now.

FF

ffaralli wrote:Then these young guys need to be coached up.....

From the looks of it, that hasn't been working too well, especially on D.


DD

duck wrote:
We complain about the young guys but, seriously, what are our options?  We have 2/3 of our salary cap devoted to Rodgers and Matthews.  For this team to excel we need production from our bargain basement players.  It's a MUST.

MB20 wrote:

duck wrote:
We complain about the young guys but, seriously, what are our options?  We have 2/3 of our salary cap devoted to Rodgers and Matthews.  For this team to excel we need production from our bargain basement players.  It's a MUST.

You've said this on more than one occasion, but this is clearly and obviously untrue.

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:

duck wrote:
We complain about the young guys but, seriously, what are our options?  We have 2/3 of our salary cap devoted to Rodgers and Matthews.  For this team to excel we need production from our bargain basement players.  It's a MUST.

You've said this on more than one occasion, but this is clearly and obviously untrue.

I thought I saw this at one point but it may be in error.  If so, I stand corrected.  In any case, we can agree that a large percentage of the Pack's salary cap is committed to those two players.

Interestingly, while I did some quick online research to investigate the salary cap stuff, I came across a link that says Pro Football Focus ranks EDS as the #8 center in the league.
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Once again, Sitton gets All pro honors, some articles have cited our two guards as the "best" tandem in the NFL, EDS is highly ranked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bahktiari make the all-rookie team.  But of course, Milani has our O-Line pegged at "bottom five" and his lieutenant HD goose-steps right behind.

MB20 wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:

duck wrote:
We complain about the young guys but, seriously, what are our options?  We have 2/3 of our salary cap devoted to Rodgers and Matthews.  For this team to excel we need production from our bargain basement players.  It's a MUST.

You've said this on more than one occasion, but this is clearly and obviously untrue.

I thought I saw this at one point but it may be in error.  If so, I stand corrected.  In any case, we can agree that a large percentage of the Pack's salary cap is committed to those two players.

Interestingly, while I did some quick online research to investigate the salary cap stuff, I came across a link that says Pro Football Focus ranks EDS as the #8 center in the league.
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Once again, Sitton gets All pro honors, some articles have cited our two guards as the "best" tandem in the NFL, EDS is highly ranked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Bahktiari make the all-rookie team.  But of course, Milani has our O-Line pegged at "bottom five" and his lieutenant HD goose-steps right behind.

Let me ask you this, Duck- do you think the game might have turned out differently if MM and the offensive line hadn't spent the first quarter playing tickle-slap? That you actually believe the defense cost us the game when the offense didn't even show up until the second quarter and expect anyone here to take you seriously boggles the mind. This game would have been over by halftime if Williams doesn't make that pick.

I need a really, really extended break from this board. That's one silver lining of the season ending. It's like Alice in Wonderland in here every freakin' day anymore.

ffaralli wrote:Rodgers didn't bring his A game but he was absolutely brilliant in moments.............




Ok, our D is not a Championship caliber D.


But #12 hasn't brought his A game to the post season since the SuperBowl run.......you could check it out......he has to play better than he did against the Giants,Vikings and 49ers in the last 4 post season games.




I'd give him a B- for the game yesterday....bad decision making and lots of indecision on his part.


No excuses.


I know this is going to ignite a firestorm.


FF

duck wrote:

ffaralli wrote:Milani, you are correct.

Lets see who effed up today, Hyde, Bahktiari, Mulumba on several different occastions. Each one cost us points, one way or the other.

All our backups are rookies, many UDFAs, TT favorites.

I watched the games yesterday and earlier today, most of these teams pick up a veteran guy as a backup. 

That is how it used to be, when a veteran lost a step, he became a backup. Today teams cut or don't resign him.

Part of it is the Cap, of course.

That is the difference between Ron Wolf and TT. Wolf goes out and gets Wilkerson to play OT (in 1996) and TT get Backhtiari/Barclay.

He is wasting Rodgers best years with this bullshit....it was apparent today also.

George Allen used to say, "for each rookie that starts, he'll cost you at least 1 game a year."

No way in hell a team half made up of low-round picks and UDFAs can beat a team of top ten draft choices.

That is where we are now.

FF

We complain about the young guys but, seriously, what are our options?  We have 2/3 of our salary cap devoted to Rodgers and Matthews.  For this team to excel we need production from our bargain basement players.  It's a MUST.

It's easy to look at one position (let's say RT in Don Barclay) and flap our wings and say we need an upgrade but the problem is that any additional money we spend in that direction results in diminished spending capability for other positions.

Remember that kid's game where you use a hammer to pound in one peg and another peg pops out?  The salary cap is like that.  There simply isn't enough money to get quality players in every position... especially when two players suck up most of the money.

ffaralli wrote:JNC,

I agree 1000%, but I did not want to be overly critical of one guy since there is more blame to go around.

He has to sell out on that play at the 4 instead of being willing to accept an FG.

And you are right, I changed my grade to a C-.

But he has not been the same post-season force since the SB 3 years ago.

Bottom line, for us to beat this team, we had to play mistake free football (we didn't)  and everyone had to bring his A game.

FF

duck wrote:

The offense stunk to start the game, the defense stunk to end it.  Take your pick.  

Did I ever say that this was a great effort by the offense?  No.  In fact I agreed with you that Jones' drops were huge missed opportunities.  I thought our offensive line play was spotty... weak at first but then they steadied up later in the game.  I thought MM's play calling was so-so.  I understand that he was trying to establish the run early but disappointed that he waited so long to mix things up.  I hated the run play by Cobb at the end.  In fairness, the Niners do have a top tier defense, so I don't want to bash the O too much.  I thought Jordy as usual was money and Lacy gave us yards we've never seen by Packer running backs before.  Rodgers didn't bring his A game but he was absolutely brilliant in moments.  That play where he escaped a sure sack and found Cobb was incredible.

#1PackerBacker wrote:

duck wrote:

The offense stunk to start the game, the defense stunk to end it.  Take your pick.  

Did I ever say that this was a great effort by the offense?  No.  In fact I agreed with you that Jones' drops were huge missed opportunities.  I thought our offensive line play was spotty... weak at first but then they steadied up later in the game.  I thought MM's play calling was so-so.  I understand that he was trying to establish the run early but disappointed that he waited so long to mix things up.  I hated the run play by Cobb at the end.  In fairness, the Niners do have a top tier defense, so I don't want to bash the O too much.  I thought Jordy as usual was money and Lacy gave us yards we've never seen by Packer running backs before.  Rodgers didn't bring his A game but he was absolutely brilliant in moments.  That play where he escaped a sure sack and found Cobb was incredible.

You just can't see the forest for the bear shit, can you? What the o-line steadied up later in the game was their blatant holding, including on the play where Rodgers "escaped" a sure sack after McDonald of the Niners was practically bear hugged right as he was about to pummel Rodgers on that 4th down play. My buddy kept pointing this out to me throughout the game, but I ignored him until I watched NFL Network last night after the game and they were chuckling as one by one they highlighted the repeated holds and non-calls on Packer o-linemen, and also two blatant pass interference calls in the end zone early in the game where Crabtree was clearly held on consecutive plays and SF had to settle for a FG. The refs were apparently as blind a you are. If this game was called like every other fricking game I've seen all year, the score is more like about 27-14 San Fran. So, I consider my Packers lucky to even be in position to nearly be in position to actually win the thing. You on the other hand, just keep on being the blind squirrel that finds the big set of nuts.

duck wrote:

#1PackerBacker wrote:

duck wrote:

The offense stunk to start the game, the defense stunk to end it.  Take your pick.  

Did I ever say that this was a great effort by the offense?  No.  In fact I agreed with you that Jones' drops were huge missed opportunities.  I thought our offensive line play was spotty... weak at first but then they steadied up later in the game.  I thought MM's play calling was so-so.  I understand that he was trying to establish the run early but disappointed that he waited so long to mix things up.  I hated the run play by Cobb at the end.  In fairness, the Niners do have a top tier defense, so I don't want to bash the O too much.  I thought Jordy as usual was money and Lacy gave us yards we've never seen by Packer running backs before.  Rodgers didn't bring his A game but he was absolutely brilliant in moments.  That play where he escaped a sure sack and found Cobb was incredible.

You just can't see the forest for the bear shit, can you? What the o-line steadied up later in the game was their blatant holding, including on the play where Rodgers "escaped" a sure sack after McDonald of the Niners was practically bear hugged right as he was about to pummel Rodgers on that 4th down play. My buddy kept pointing this out to me throughout the game, but I ignored him until I watched NFL Network last night after the game and they were chuckling as one by one they highlighted the repeated holds and non-calls on Packer o-linemen, and also two blatant pass interference calls in the end zone early in the game where Crabtree was clearly held on consecutive plays and SF had to settle for a FG. The refs were apparently as blind a you are. If this game was called like every other fricking game I've seen all year, the score is more like about 27-14 San Fran. So, I consider my Packers lucky to even be in position to nearly be in position to actually win the thing. You on the other hand, just keep on being the blind squirrel that finds the big set of nuts.

Please... would you just drop this facade of being a Packer fan?  We know perfectly well which team you have an allegiance to and that incessant whining of yours is the ultimate tipoff.