Vince Young cut

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

MB20 wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

That complacency comment I made the other day, Duck? This is exactly what I meant. Their organizational strategy has basically devolved into "Fuck it- we have Aaron Rodgers."

milani wrote:TT takes the blame for Vince Young not making the team. If he had signed him last April he may have had more time to learn the offense and work out with the team. Vince does not have the best passing mechanics but a 15-20 yard run now and then can eliminate the 3 and outs that most back ups experience.
So now we sign Seneca Wallace, a true journeyman back up ala Zeke Bratkowski. But how long will it take him to learn our offense?
In Zeke's day the Packer offense was so simple even a caveman could learn it.

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

That complacency comment I made the other day, Duck? This is exactly what I meant. Their organizational strategy has basically devolved into "Fuck it- we have Aaron Rodgers."

Look, I'm as baffled and distressed at some of TT's moves (and, more often, failures to move) as anyone... but I don't believe the root cause is complacency.  Even in the rambling interview he gave yesterday, he repeatedly stressed that he was (in effect) pursuing every tangent and exhausting every lead to "make the Packers better" at every position.  Now, I don't exactly buy that, but I don't think he's cut engines and turned into a slacker because we have the best QB in the game.

TT surely must understand that having the best QB in the game is no guarantee of a Lombardi Trophy.  Heck for perhaps 75-80% of the last two decades, Green Bay has had the luxury of having the best QB in the game and what do we have to show?  One SB win under Favre and another under Rodgers.  Even while acknowledging a couple of Favre's boneheaded gifts, the fact of the matter is that crappy defense and weak coaching were greater reasons we didn't get more out of #4.  Similarly, Rodgers probably should have brought home another title in 2011 if it wasn't for a spectacularly bad defense.  The bottom line is that any idiot can see you need more than just the best QB in the game.

I think it's hasty and shallow to dismiss the seeming blitheness of some of TT's failures to act as complacency.  I'm sure his decisions are well considered.  I think, more to the point, as we've discussed earlier, he is unduly committed to his formula of "draft and develop."

Having said all that, I am very perplexed at what is going on.  On the surface level anyway, it looks like he's letting some talent slip through his hands.

_HD_ wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

That complacency comment I made the other day, Duck? This is exactly what I meant. Their organizational strategy has basically devolved into "Fuck it- we have Aaron Rodgers."

Look, I'm as baffled and distressed at some of TT's moves (and, more often, failures to move) as anyone... but I don't believe the root cause is complacency.  Even in the rambling interview he gave yesterday, he repeatedly stressed that he was (in effect) pursuing every tangent and exhausting every lead to "make the Packers better" at every position.  Now, I don't exactly buy that, but I don't think he's cut engines and turned into a slacker because we have the best QB in the game.

TT surely must understand that having the best QB in the game is no guarantee of a Lombardi Trophy.  Heck for perhaps 75-80% of the last two decades, Green Bay has had the luxury of having the best QB in the game and what do we have to show?  One SB win under Favre and another under Rodgers.  Even while acknowledging a couple of Favre's boneheaded gifts, the fact of the matter is that crappy defense and weak coaching were greater reasons we didn't get more out of #4.  Similarly, Rodgers probably should have brought home another title in 2011 if it wasn't for a spectacularly bad defense.  The bottom line is that any idiot can see you need more than just the best QB in the game.

I think it's hasty and shallow to dismiss the seeming blitheness of some of TT's failures to act as complacency.  I'm sure his decisions are well considered.  I think, more to the point, as we've discussed earlier, he is unduly committed to his formula of "draft and develop."

Having said all that, I am very perplexed at what is going on.  On the surface level anyway, it looks like he's letting some talent slip through his hands.

Packers cut B.J. Coleman, Aaron Rodgers currently has no backup
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2013, 9:56 AM EDT
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And then there was one: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the only quarterback on the Packers’ 53-man roster.
The Packers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the Green Bay Press-Gazette reports. With the Packers having previously released [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], they’re now down to only Rodgers on the 53-man roster. Quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is on the practice squad.


Packers sign Seneca Wallace to back up Aaron Rodgers
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2013, 10:13 AM EDT
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When the Packers cut [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the only backup quarterback on their 53-man roster, we wondered who [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]‘ backup would be. It didn’t take long to find out the answer: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Wallace signed with the Packers today, Ed Werder of ESPN reports.
As the Packers prepare for their Week One meeting with the 49ers, they now have two quarterbacks who can run the 49ers’ offense to help their defense prepare: Both Wallace and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who’s on the Packers’ practice squad, were with the 49ers until last week.
Wallace left the 49ers under strange circumstances, with an initial report that he was retiring quickly refuted by Wallace himself. Wallace said that he believes the only reason the 49ers signed him was that they wanted to use his presence as leverage to squeeze backup quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] into accepting a pay cut.

You're failing to accept reality, Duck...if you can't see how this whole scenario doesn't reak of flat out amateurism.  You wait until the eve of the opener to decide that no one on your fucking roster is good enough to be a backup QB so then start feverishly sifting through the shit pile to find a kernal of corn?!   WTF?

Secondly--the explanation for Young's release was because he wasn't brought in early enough to give him a fighting chance to learn the playbook.  Yeah?  Well, tell me then--will Seneca Wallace or this other stiff be expected to be up to speed in an additional month's time beyond where Young would expected to be over that period--already having a 4 week headstart?

Finally, if you think a career hack like Seneca Wallace is *arguably* a better prospect at QB than a head-straight Vince Young...than the word is your blissful oyster.  I want to see you on Dancing with the Stars next in your spandex bike shorts twirling Rosie O'Donnell in a red-print dress that looks like Granny's curtain pattern... I'll clap like a motherfucker for you, my friend... 

_HD_ wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:

_HD_ wrote:

milani wrote:

duck wrote:

MB20 wrote:What a clusterfuck our backup QB situation has turned into. Anything happens to Rodgers (Flying Spaghetti Monster forbid) and we'd be a 3-win team. JFC

I'm dumbfounded.  B.J. Coleman???

We're not going to sign anyone else either because it would take that guy several games to familiarize himself with our offense.

WTF???

So we keep Starks and cut Alex Green? This might be one of the rare times where HD, you, me, and JnC might all be in accord.

Unbelievable.  Honestly...as I've regularly pointed out--TT has had his void in decision-making...  I don't pretend to have the information pipeline at my disposal he has--but clearly--the man is slipping.  Anyone who finds the logic in cutting Vince Young over BJ Coleman (who could easily be planted on the practice squad) and sending Alex Green packing in order to keep James Starks is just a bitch in the world of both talent eval and overall just plain decision making...  Send me a postcard about the sweet ass you had yesterday...what I see today doesn't turn my head.

Sooner or later it happens to even the best of us...  If Mark Murphy were not a completely worthless unit of carbon, he would look at the past two years of decision-making by Thompson and offer him the position of Exec Director of Pro Personnel (focusing on the draft) or retirement.  John Schneider should have rightfully been moved into that role and TT moved aside.  Way too many blown opportunities and way too may suspect decisions that turn out warranted in their suspicion since the super bowl and even before.  Marshawn Lynch was so mind-bogglingly idiotic that I just simply can't comprehend--and that was just the start of the tidy-bowl swirl...

Fatty's shortcomings were once mitigated by youthful obesity and a GM who could nail a Ryan Pickett when good fortune made them available.  Now you've got a fatty who overthinks his way around his belt size and an over-the-hill albino who doesn't have the juice to suffer the prospect anymore of being a fucking winner...

10-6 and one/out my friends.  This team is regressing and the reasons are very obvious.  The best QB the NFL and they are milking that bitch to nothing more than their own limp-dicked complacency.

That complacency comment I made the other day, Duck? This is exactly what I meant. Their organizational strategy has basically devolved into "Fuck it- we have Aaron Rodgers."

Look, I'm as baffled and distressed at some of TT's moves (and, more often, failures to move) as anyone... but I don't believe the root cause is complacency.  Even in the rambling interview he gave yesterday, he repeatedly stressed that he was (in effect) pursuing every tangent and exhausting every lead to "make the Packers better" at every position.  Now, I don't exactly buy that, but I don't think he's cut engines and turned into a slacker because we have the best QB in the game.

TT surely must understand that having the best QB in the game is no guarantee of a Lombardi Trophy.  Heck for perhaps 75-80% of the last two decades, Green Bay has had the luxury of having the best QB in the game and what do we have to show?  One SB win under Favre and another under Rodgers.  Even while acknowledging a couple of Favre's boneheaded gifts, the fact of the matter is that crappy defense and weak coaching were greater reasons we didn't get more out of #4.  Similarly, Rodgers probably should have brought home another title in 2011 if it wasn't for a spectacularly bad defense.  The bottom line is that any idiot can see you need more than just the best QB in the game.

I think it's hasty and shallow to dismiss the seeming blitheness of some of TT's failures to act as complacency.  I'm sure his decisions are well considered.  I think, more to the point, as we've discussed earlier, he is unduly committed to his formula of "draft and develop."

Having said all that, I am very perplexed at what is going on.  On the surface level anyway, it looks like he's letting some talent slip through his hands.

Packers cut B.J. Coleman, Aaron Rodgers currently has no backup
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2013, 9:56 AM EDT
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And then there was one: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the only quarterback on the Packers’ 53-man roster.
The Packers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the Green Bay Press-Gazette reports. With the Packers having previously released [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], they’re now down to only Rodgers on the 53-man roster. Quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is on the practice squad.


Packers sign Seneca Wallace to back up Aaron Rodgers
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 2, 2013, 10:13 AM EDT
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When the Packers cut [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the only backup quarterback on their 53-man roster, we wondered who [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]‘ backup would be. It didn’t take long to find out the answer: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Wallace signed with the Packers today, Ed Werder of ESPN reports.
As the Packers prepare for their Week One meeting with the 49ers, they now have two quarterbacks who can run the 49ers’ offense to help their defense prepare: Both Wallace and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], who’s on the Packers’ practice squad, were with the 49ers until last week.
Wallace left the 49ers under strange circumstances, with an initial report that he was retiring quickly refuted by Wallace himself. Wallace said that he believes the only reason the 49ers signed him was that they wanted to use his presence as leverage to squeeze backup quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] into accepting a pay cut.

You're failing to accept reality, Duck...if you can't see how this whole scenario doesn't reak of flat out amateurism.  You wait until the eve of the opener to decide that no one on your fucking roster is good enough to be a backup QB so then start feverishly sifting through the shit pile to find a kernal of corn?!   WTF?

Secondly--the explanation for Young's release was because he wasn't brought in early enough to give him a fighting chance to learn the playbook.  Yeah?  Well, tell me then--will Seneca Wallace or this other stiff be expected to be up to speed in an additional month's time beyond where Young would expected to be over that period--already having a 4 week headstart?

Finally, if you think a career hack like Seneca Wallace is *arguably* a better prospect at QB than a head-straight Vince Young...than the word is your blissful oyster.  I want to see you on Dancing with the Stars next in your spandex bike shorts twirling Rosie O'Donnell in a red-print dress that looks like Granny's curtain pattern... I'll clap like a motherfucker for you, my friend... 

JnC4GB wrote:Ted Thompson was Director of Player Personnel under Holmgren at Seattle when they drafted Seneca Wallace.
Holmgren, when he left to become President of the Cleveland Browns, quickly traded for Wallace.

Fair to assume that outside of Flynn and Hasselbeck there's not another legit back up QB in the entire NFL who would know our system better than Seneca Wallace. All circumstances considered, signing him is a decent move. 

The big fail on Thompson's part was in not drafting a good QB in April and in drafting and trying to develop Harrell to begin with. They should've cut bait with him last year. This was a genuine failure.

As for Vince Young, I saw enough of him to know he sucked balls. Not going to cry about him being cut for a damn second.

milani wrote:Seneca Wallace is another Charlie Batch. They are lifelong backups. And that is actually a good thing.