Best player on the Patriots

George1963 wrote:
Hee hee. I'm an NFL owner. I need me a jet and a 20 year old girlfriend.

And a pair of Air Force One sneakers. 


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George1963 wrote:
Assuming they didn't trade the pick for 2 7ths and a third in 2008.

LOL.  Touche.


BTW, there was a much better wideout on the board at 31 that year. Much MUCH better. I thought so then and it's proven out.

Tell me.

George1963 wrote:

Revis kinda gave up after Nelson caught that. Didn't notice that before.

I don't know if he kinda gave up.  Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other guy.  That one play aside, Revis did a great job on him all game long.  He's phenomenal.  Jordy can fly, and eventually he's going to get one, even against your man crush, and he did on that play.  It was a killer.


BTW, how did you like that phantom 12 men on the field penalty against NE?  When the camera showed and still shot of the Pats and they counted them, and it came to 11, that was truly embarrassing for that referee crew.  They eventually reversed it because they had no choice, but jeez.   And also, they didn't call the most blatant offensive push off by a Packer receiver you'll ever see.  I'm sure you remember it if you watched the whole game.  Jim Nance and even that jerk Phil Sims even said so, and the replay showed how blatant it was.  But no whistle.  I know the game was in Lambeau, and the edge goes to the home team Packers.  But, "come on man".  Ed Hockuli sucks.  I hate him, his children, his grandchildren, and his dog, and I hope he never refs another Patriots game, ever.

 

guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:
Assuming they didn't trade the pick for 2 7ths and a third in 2008.

LOL.  Touche.


BTW, there was a much better wideout on the board at 31 that year. Much MUCH better. I thought so then and it's proven out.

Tell me.

guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:

Revis kinda gave up after Nelson caught that. Didn't notice that before.

I don't know if he kinda gave up.  Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other guy.  That one play aside, Revis did a great job on him all game long.  He's phenomenal.  Jordy can fly, and eventually he's going to get one, even against your man crush, and he did on that play.  It was a killer.


BTW, how did you like that phantom 12 men on the field penalty against NE?  When the camera showed and still shot of the Pats and they counted them, and it came to 11, that was truly embarrassing for that referee crew.  They eventually reversed it because they had no choice, but jeez.   And also, they didn't call the most blatant offensive push off by a Packer receiver you'll ever see.  I'm sure you remember it if you watched the whole game.  Jim Nance and even that jerk Phil Sims even said so, and the replay showed how blatant it was.  But no whistle.  I know the game was in Lambeau, and the edge goes to the home team Packers.  But, "come on man".  Ed Hockuli sucks.  I hate him, his children, his grandchildren, and his dog, and I hope he never refs another Patriots game, ever.

 

George1963 wrote:


There were bad calls going both ways, no more than usual though.

I pretty much agree with the idea that bad calls generally go both ways, and over the long run, even out.  I was only being half serious with my little rant. 

But you do agree with me regarding the blatant and obvious offensive shove by the GB receiver that wasn't called.  That one was not subtle.  It was not hand fighting.  Just a pure shove to the defender to push him out of the way to get open.  I've seen Gronk get called for like one tenth the shove that that one was.  Should have been called.  But whatever, one bad non call didn't change the outcome.

On the throw to Gronk in the endzone that would have put the Pats up with just a couple of minutes to go that he couldn't hold on to and went incomplete, you could make a case for pass interference.  Not saying it was PI, but it would not be unreasonable to make a case for it.  The defender had his hands all over Gronk and did not turn his head around to look for the ball. 

Between receiver and defensive back, I say, Let em play.....as long as you're consistent, and how much contact you let go is applied equally to both sides.

guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:


There were bad calls going both ways, no more than usual though.

I pretty much agree with the idea that bad calls generally go both ways, and over the long run, even out.  I was only being half serious with my little rant. 

But you do agree with me regarding the blatant and obvious offensive shove by the GB receiver that wasn't called.  That one was not subtle.  It was not hand fighting.  Just a pure shove to the defender to push him out of the way to get open.  I've seen Gronk get called for like one tenth the shove that that one was.  Should have been called.  But whatever, one bad non call didn't change the outcome.

On the throw to Gronk in the endzone that would have put the Pats up with just a couple of minutes to go that he couldn't hold on to and went incomplete, you could make a case for pass interference.  Not saying it was PI, but it would not be unreasonable to make a case for it.  The defender had his hands all over Gronk and did not turn his head around to look for the ball. 

Between receiver and defensive back, I say, Let em play.....as long as you're consistent, and how much contact you let go is applied equally to both sides.


That's not the way the league is anymore. I had a guy who worked for them tell me years ago that they made periodic rule changes to keep the scoring at 43 points a game.
That's completely out the door now I guess. Fantasy football has brought in a whole new fan base and they're catering to them. Scoring sells.

George1963 wrote:

Fantasy football has brought in a whole new fan base and they're catering to them. Scoring sells.


"Show me the money."

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guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:

Fantasy football has brought in a whole new fan base and they're catering to them. Scoring sells.


"Show me the money."

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Eef. That's skin crawly to me. That was Mike Vanderjacts move. To his credit though, he'd do it before a kick.

George1963 wrote:

Eef. That's skin crawly to me. That was Mike Vanderjacts move. To his credit though, he'd do it before a kick.




Oh ya, Vanderjacts did do that.   You're the only one who has pointed that out.  Have not read it anywhere.  Johnny Football is a plagerizer.

guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:

Eef. That's skin crawly to me. That was Mike Vanderjacts move. To his credit though, he'd do it before a kick.




Oh ya, Vanderjacts did do that.   You're the only one who has pointed that out.  Have not read it anywhere.  Johnny Football is a plagerizer.

George1963 wrote:


My sarcasim detector has always been pretty weak. Has this been mentioned? Maybe a few thousand times?


Well, there is only so much NFL data my brain can process.   Got to stay focused on the task at hand.

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guppy wrote:Somebody's got a shadow that he can't shake.

George1963 wrote:

guppy wrote:Somebody's got a shadow that he can't shake.

Colts have a little cap space next year. 


It will be very interesting to see what happens next year.  His whole way of doing business is that its always been about business, and he is Darrell Revis, Incorporated.  We all know the Pats have a certain reputation about spending, i.e., not overspending.  But if there was ever a player to not nickle and dime, its this guy.  After getting the first 4 games this year under his belt, where he really was kinda ordinary (Browner didn't play in the first 4 games, so that may have some relationship), he has been absolutely sensational since.  In the last six games, just look at the top WRs he has shut down.  I won't even bother naming them.  He's changed everything for this defense, and everyone knows it.
  

guppy wrote:

George1963 wrote:

guppy wrote:Somebody's got a shadow that he can't shake.

Colts have a little cap space next year. 


It will be very interesting to see what happens next year.  His whole way of doing business is that its always been about business, and he is Darrell Revis, Incorporated.  We all know the Pats have a certain reputation about spending, i.e., not overspending.  But if there was ever a player to not nickle and dime, its this guy.  After getting the first 4 games this year under his belt, where he really was kinda ordinary (Browner didn't play in the first 4 games, so that may have some relationship), he has been absolutely sensational since.  In the last six games, just look at the top WRs he has shut down.  I won't even bother naming them.  He's changed everything for this defense, and everyone knows it.