2014 Draft

wassejet wrote:I noticed a lot of mocks now have the Jets going for a cornerback in Round 1. It's about 50/50 WR/CB.

We need both.   Decker cannot be #1 WR, as Milliner who finished stronger, cannot be the main CB.  That is my lingering doubt about Idzik, his non-action when the FA CBs were available. 

LRJets wrote:

We need both.   Decker cannot be #1 WR, as Milliner who finished stronger, cannot be the main CB.  That is my lingering doubt about Idzik, his non-action when the FA CBs were available. 

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:

We need both.   Decker cannot be #1 WR, as Milliner who finished stronger, cannot be the main CB.  That is my lingering doubt about Idzik, his non-action when the FA CBs were available. 

When you buy out of panic, you usually overpay. That's why I'm not that upset Idzik didn't go after one of the FA CB's. Rather than a CB, if Kahlil Mack is there (not likely) or Anthony Barr (possible), I would go there rather than a CB, but for some reason Ryan loves CB's. Actually, I would seriously consider bundling this year's #1 next year's #1 plus throw in a two pick this year and get Clowney in a trade for the first pick. I've heard the Texans would like to move down and they don't need another pass rusher because they already have JJ Watt and B. Cushing. In addition, they don't need to draft at #1 to get a QB in this draft. Clowney's a once in 10 year talent, so I would do it. With him, the Jets wouldn't have to have a high talent level at DB. A guy like Clowney elevates the play of all 4 DB's because he makes the QB hurry and that's crucial to getting turnovers. Of course, since we are talking about the Jets, he'll probably end up being another Gholston, but I would still do it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I'd love to see Idzik "bundle" up a package for Clowney.  Not sure he has the "Tanny" in him?   If that would happen, he still can get a decent WR and other needs in the draft.
We play 2 tough games in 4 days.  We'll need something to keep the Pats and Broncos thinking about us, not two penciled-in wins.

wassejet wrote:I noticed a lot of mocks now have the Jets going for a cornerback in Round 1. It's about 50/50 WR/CB.

LRJets wrote:

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:

We need both.   Decker cannot be #1 WR, as Milliner who finished stronger, cannot be the main CB.  That is my lingering doubt about Idzik, his non-action when the FA CBs were available. 

When you buy out of panic, you usually overpay. That's why I'm not that upset Idzik didn't go after one of the FA CB's. Rather than a CB, if Kahlil Mack is there (not likely) or Anthony Barr (possible), I would go there rather than a CB, but for some reason Ryan loves CB's. Actually, I would seriously consider bundling this year's #1 next year's #1 plus throw in a two pick this year and get Clowney in a trade for the first pick. I've heard the Texans would like to move down and they don't need another pass rusher because they already have JJ Watt and B. Cushing. In addition, they don't need to draft at #1 to get a QB in this draft. Clowney's a once in 10 year talent, so I would do it. With him, the Jets wouldn't have to have a high talent level at DB. A guy like Clowney elevates the play of all 4 DB's because he makes the QB hurry and that's crucial to getting turnovers. Of course, since we are talking about the Jets, he'll probably end up being another Gholston, but I would still do it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I'd love to see Idzik "bundle" up a package for Clowney.  Not sure he has the "Tanny" in him?   If that would happen, he still can get a decent WR and other needs in the draft.
We play 2 tough games in 4 days.  We'll need something to keep the Pats and Broncos thinking about us, not two penciled-in wins.

NY JETS1 wrote:

LRJets wrote:

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:

We need both.   Decker cannot be #1 WR, as Milliner who finished stronger, cannot be the main CB.  That is my lingering doubt about Idzik, his non-action when the FA CBs were available. 

When you buy out of panic, you usually overpay. That's why I'm not that upset Idzik didn't go after one of the FA CB's. Rather than a CB, if Kahlil Mack is there (not likely) or Anthony Barr (possible), I would go there rather than a CB, but for some reason Ryan loves CB's. Actually, I would seriously consider bundling this year's #1 next year's #1 plus throw in a two pick this year and get Clowney in a trade for the first pick. I've heard the Texans would like to move down and they don't need another pass rusher because they already have JJ Watt and B. Cushing. In addition, they don't need to draft at #1 to get a QB in this draft. Clowney's a once in 10 year talent, so I would do it. With him, the Jets wouldn't have to have a high talent level at DB. A guy like Clowney elevates the play of all 4 DB's because he makes the QB hurry and that's crucial to getting turnovers. Of course, since we are talking about the Jets, he'll probably end up being another Gholston, but I would still do it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I'd love to see Idzik "bundle" up a package for Clowney.  Not sure he has the "Tanny" in him?   If that would happen, he still can get a decent WR and other needs in the draft.
We play 2 tough games in 4 days.  We'll need something to keep the Pats and Broncos thinking about us, not two penciled-in wins.

Now you're talking pal! I would even be happy if they traded up for K. Mack. Rex could play him at either DE or OLB. Jets still need a better pass rush. 

LRJets wrote:Saw a segment this morning on Eric Ebron. Very impressive.  His drills.  His catching the ball, etc.


A lot of mocks have the Jets picking him at # 18.   I'd be surprised if he's around at 18, and pleasantly surprised if we take him.

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:Saw a segment this morning on Eric Ebron. Very impressive.  His drills.  His catching the ball, etc.


A lot of mocks have the Jets picking him at # 18.   I'd be surprised if he's around at 18, and pleasantly surprised if we take him.

Yeah he's one of those physical freak guys, a tight end with wide-out speed and skills. Not much of a blocker, but that's something he can learn. Not a bad pick for the Jets, but I heard the Giants like him too, and they pick at 12. The big question is: would he be worth moving up for?
After I posted, I read he is not a blocker.  I wouldn't move up for him.  I hear the name Cooks too as a possible.  Idzik plays it close to the vest, so we'll see.
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LRJets wrote:

..... I hear the name Cooks too as a possible.  Idzik plays it close to the vest, so we'll see.

LRJets wrote:
Who has it tough is the one who picks Clowney or Mansiel.  Or doesn't pick them.
If it's not the right pick, it will mean their job.
-Mike Francesa

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:
Who has it tough is the one who picks Clowney or Mansiel.  Or doesn't pick them.
If it's not the right pick, it will mean their job.
-Mike Francesa

Manziel yes, but not Clowney. I don't see how you can be a GM and not pick him unless, like Texas, you already have good pass rushers plus you get a trade offer you can't refuse. 
I think he is terriffic.  A lot of critics say he doesn't work hard on every play.  (Clowney).  Some pondered out loud what will he be like with millions in the bank?  Me, I'd take him in a minute.  Best def. player to come a long in the past 10 years or so.  Another LT?  It's  an insult to put his name with LT, probably the best def. player in history.

LRJets wrote:

I think he is terriffic.  A lot of critics say he doesn't work hard on every play.  (Clowney).  Some pondered out loud what will he be like with millions in the bank?  Me, I'd take him in a minute.  Best def. player to come a long in the past 10 years or so.  Another LT?  It's  an insult to put his name with LT, probably the best def. player in history.

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:

I think he is terriffic.  A lot of critics say he doesn't work hard on every play.  (Clowney).  Some pondered out loud what will he be like with millions in the bank?  Me, I'd take him in a minute.  Best def. player to come a long in the past 10 years or so.  Another LT?  It's  an insult to put his name with LT, probably the best def. player in history.

I'm very excited about this draft. It's a deep draft and the Jets have 12 picks.

NY JETS1 wrote:That's enough picks to move up if they want. 

wassejet wrote:

NY JETS1 wrote:That's enough picks to move up if they want. 

Yes, but moving up in the first round will cost the Jets big (usually a second or third). I think there is enough talent in this draft where you don't have to move up. I know the Jets love to move up but sometimes it's a mistake. A few years ago the Jets traded a 6 and 7 to move up to the 5th round to take John (the terminator) Conner, a fullback. Can't imagine the thinking behind that move.    

NY JETS1 wrote:It will cost the Jets but if they can get either Clowney or Mack it's worth it. The Jets still need a pass rush. With the Pass rush the Jets have now receivers are going to get open no matter who the CBs are.

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wassejet wrote:

NY JETS1 wrote:That's enough picks to move up if they want. 

Yes, but moving up in the first round will cost the Jets big (usually a second or third). I think there is enough talent in this draft where you don't have to move up. I know the Jets love to move up but sometimes it's a mistake. A few years ago the Jets traded a 6 and 7 to move up to the 5th round to take John (the terminator) Conner, a fullback. Can't imagine the thinking behind that move.    

It will cost the Jets but if they can get either Clowney or Mack it's worth it. The Jets still need a pass rush. With the Pass rush the Jets have now receivers are going to get open no matter who the CBs are.

I'd like to see the Jets make a splash in this draft.  What good are 12 picks if nobody of worth emerges?  You wind up cutting these players.  Take Belichick for example, he has been stockpiling d players for years.  The end result? It's all Brady.  BB is not the best personnel guy./  Probably his biggest weakness.

LRJets wrote:The headline I'd love to see!
JETS MOVE UP AND GET ODELL BECKHAM

wassejet wrote:

LRJets wrote:The headline I'd love to see!
JETS MOVE UP AND GET ODELL BECKHAM

But the Jets may not have to move up to get him. And if he's gone by 18, is Beckham that much better than Brandin Cooks or Marquise Lee? Look, if the Jets are in love with Beckham and they wanted to part with one of their 4th or 5th round picks to get him, then fine. There is a lot of value to be had in the late rounds of this draft so I wouldn't play loose with those picks, but I certainly would not part with a 2 or 3 to move up for Beckham.
Draft fatigue is setting in to all of us.
Marquise Lee was injured in 2013.  GMs hope for the 2012 version.  I want some homegrown talent, not these rentals.  Hope Idzik does good!
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LRJets wrote:The headline I'd love to see!
JETS MOVE UP AND GET ODELL BECKHAM

NY JETS1 wrote:

LRJets wrote:The headline I'd love to see!
JETS MOVE UP AND GET ODELL BECKHAM

Last I heard the Jets are trying to get into the top 10, maybe he's the reason why. 

If anyone besides Belichick keeps it close to the vest, it's Idzik.  I'd like to see the Jets move up.