This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
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This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:58 pm
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Every sport has guys that just don’t do things the way they’re supposed to be done. As much as coaches and front office people want to see the very embodiment of every textbook attribute they spend their lives either crafting or finding, sometimes you just have to accept that it may not be pretty, and it may not be how you want it to happen, but hell, it works.
Brett Favre was that guy for years in the NFL. It would drive Mike Holmgren insane, and nobody would ever point to Favre as a shining example of how to play QB to any young player, but you couldn’t deny the plays he made and the success he had. At some point you have to kind of throttle back, and let him be himself. Tony Romo has drawn comparisons to Favre for some of those same attributes, as has Jay Cutler, but the new Favre is most definitely Ben Roethlisberger, except ‘Big Ben’ has some tricks in his toolbox that Favre never had.
The Steelers’ signal-caller might be the most unconventional quarterback in the NFL. Sure there are guys with funkier deliveries, or guys like RGIII for whom entire offenses are crafted around given their unique skillset, but there isn’t anybody else that has so many unique qualities all rolled into one.
Everybody knows that Roethlisberger doesn’t exactly play the game as it’s drawn up on the chalkboard. There is endless debate among anybody who covers the Steelers as to how much he hurts or helps his offensive line given the length of time he holds the ball vs. his ability to extend plays, but there is so much more to his game than just scrambling for his life until a throw opens up.
“Our quarterback can beat up your linebackers!”
That was a quote once used to describe Daunte Culpepper, back when the league had never really seen a quarterback over 250lbs, and the notion of linebackers just bouncing off quarterbacks to the floor was ridiculous. Passers with that size still don’t exactly grow on trees, but it’s at least common enough for people to take it in stride when ‘Big’ Ben Roethlisberger stiff arms a linebacker or defensive lineman to the turf.
He is tough to take down. You’re talking about a guy who outweighs most linebackers he’ll face and plenty of pass rushers in today’s era of situational rush specialists. It’s one thing to take a guy to the ground who isn’t fighting to stay upright, even if he isn’t much smaller than you are, but Roethlisberger doesn’t hit the deck without a fight. Getting the pressure is only half the job when he is under center, you also need to corral him in the pocket and then eventually drag him to the ground, all before he can get rid of the football. That’s not easy.
Flashbacks to Tarkenton
When most quarterbacks are pressured into leaving the pocket they’re looking to either run immediately, using their athleticism to pick up yardage, or they head to the sideline away from the pressure, see if anything opens up downfield, and then pass or throw the ball out of bounds. Roethlisberger doesn’t settle for that, though he will do both of those on occasion. Instead, his tape is littered with plays that could have come straight out of a Fran Tarkenton highlight reel. He will change direction, juke, spin and scramble around behind the line of scrimmage for as long as he can remain elusive or until he can find a pass to hit. The thing that makes them different is that they’re using their athleticism simply to buy time, rather than to get out of trouble and abandon most of their passing targets.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Take this simple 2nd-and-10 play from the Dallas game this year. The Steelers are on the edge of field goal range at the Dallas 30, with Roethlisberger in the gun after an incomplete pass on first down. The play is designed to be a simple 2.5 second drop and throw, with Heath Miller hooking up five yards down field. Instead of taking those five yards, Roethlisberger wants one of the double moves he has working downfield to the outside, so he pump fakes and waits for either receiver to uncover. Neither does, and so he continues to climb the pocket before ducking under the pressure from that edge. He fakes past another rusher, scoots to his left and eventually delivers the ball to Heath Miller, his original slam-dunk target, down the right sideline for a touchdown… 8.4 seconds after the ball was snapped.
That kind of ability to scramble around and yet stay within viable striking distance of the whole field buys receivers the time and space to just drift off to an area uncovered by the defense, exactly like Miller does here. You can’t expect coverage to hold up for eight seconds, it’s just not realistic. Somebody is going to blow it given that much time to try and adjust on the fly.
This is the great balancing act Roethlisberger brings. He is only pressured at all on this play because he holds the ball too long and climbs the pocket too far, causing his right tackle to lose leverage on his block and the entire protection scheme to collapse around him, but at the same time his ability to avoid that pressure for another five seconds is what opens up the pass to Miller and turns a five-yard gain into a touchdown.
The Pump Fake and Next Level
Nobody in football has a better pump fake than Roethlisberger. Unlike some quarterbacks who just give a little shoulder feint or slight movement with the football, he is able to throw practically a full pass and then pull it back in and reload. That’s a game-changer for defensive backs who are usually able to distinguish a pump fake from a pass by other quarterbacks but can’t do the same thing when they’re facing the Steelers. At PFF we record the time between the snap and the ball leaving the quarterback’s hands, and Roethlisberger’s pump fake has become my own personal hell over the past couple of seasons. It’s so effective and convincing that even after watching the play and screwing up once – even knowing it’s coming – it can still sucker you into hitting the button on the stopwatch early.
Imagine being an NFL safety, keying in on the quarterback and needing to read things early to have any hope of beating the ball to the receiver. That pump fake is enough to make those guys jump on passes he never has any intention of throwing, taking them yards out of position and opening windows deep down field. I’ve spoken to NFL safeties who couldn’t talk enough how much they hate that weapon.
But despite all of this, the thing that is most unique about Roethlisberger is something I don’t think I have ever seen another quarterback do consistently – he moves around behind the line of scrimmage with the sole purpose of shifting defenders in coverage.
While most passers see the field almost in two dimensions, with coverage defenders and receivers moving around in front of them, Roethlisberger sees a third dimension: how those defenders react when he moves from the top of his drop.
I don’t think there is another quarterback in football that can deliberately move players in coverage the way Roethlisberger can. Some passers will understand that when they’re moving out towards the sideline they can force a linebacker caught in no man’s land to play them instead of the receiver, drawing him forward before dumping the ball over his head, but Roethlisberger is the only one that will move from the pocket solely to make that happen, rather than simply reacting to pressure and taking advantage of the situation. He is proactive rather than reactive in this regard.
Take this play from last year against the Redskins. Facing 3rd-and-Goal from the Washington 7, the Steelers line up with a bunch formation in tight to the right, two receivers to his left and Roethlisberger alone in the backfield in the gun.
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The first thing to understand about this play is that Roethlisberger is only ever trying to get the ball to Heath Miller, aligned at the top of the bunch and covered well by the Redskins initially. Instead of going through his progression and trying to find a better target, he instead just starts working his way through his bag of tricks to try and free Miller from the coverage.
After seeing the defense drop into coverage he isn’t worried about Lorenzo Alexander, the linebacker in man coverage on Miller. Roethlisberger is confident that Miller can lose him if he gets the chance and with his back to the quarterback, Alexander doesn’t stand much chance of making a play on the ball in such tight quarters. The player that he needs to deal with is London Fletcher, the middle linebacker with eyes only on the quarterback, ready to jump any pass put in that direction.
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The first thing he tries in order to shift Fletcher is a pump fake. He looks left in the direction of Jericho Cotchery and fires a full-motion pump fake, but Fletcher barely takes a step in that direction. Next he leaves the pocket through the strong-side A-gap and instead of making straight for the goal line – a good chance of scoring, but one that would require running into at least one tackle attempt – he flattens out his run, drawing Fletcher up towards him just enough to allow Miller to sneak in behind for the touchdown pass.
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Watching Steelers tape from last season is fantastic. You can see Todd Haley trying to contain Roethlisberger within the offense, trying to rein him in like a horse than just wants to bolt. The opening of every game would begin with a series of short, rhythm passes as the Steelers tried to march down the field in little passing increments exactly by the book. But Roethlisberger just isn’t that type of quarterback. He can do it, sure, but trying to limit him to that is to take away what makes him special. By half time in most games you could see the point that he mentally thought “to hell with this!” and suddenly pump fakes, scrambles and endlessly extended plays are everywhere.
At some point you have to embrace the fact that it might not be by the book, but it is a nightmare for defenses to deal with. Roethlisberger may never appear in any coaching manual, but he is one of the toughest passers to defend in football, and he has a host of unique qualities that make his game truly enigmatic.
Every sport has guys that just don’t do things the way they’re supposed to be done. As much as coaches and front office people want to see the very embodiment of every textbook attribute they spend their lives either crafting or finding, sometimes you just have to accept that it may not be pretty, and it may not be how you want it to happen, but hell, it works.
Brett Favre was that guy for years in the NFL. It would drive Mike Holmgren insane, and nobody would ever point to Favre as a shining example of how to play QB to any young player, but you couldn’t deny the plays he made and the success he had. At some point you have to kind of throttle back, and let him be himself. Tony Romo has drawn comparisons to Favre for some of those same attributes, as has Jay Cutler, but the new Favre is most definitely Ben Roethlisberger, except ‘Big Ben’ has some tricks in his toolbox that Favre never had.
The Steelers’ signal-caller might be the most unconventional quarterback in the NFL. Sure there are guys with funkier deliveries, or guys like RGIII for whom entire offenses are crafted around given their unique skillset, but there isn’t anybody else that has so many unique qualities all rolled into one.
Everybody knows that Roethlisberger doesn’t exactly play the game as it’s drawn up on the chalkboard. There is endless debate among anybody who covers the Steelers as to how much he hurts or helps his offensive line given the length of time he holds the ball vs. his ability to extend plays, but there is so much more to his game than just scrambling for his life until a throw opens up.
“Our quarterback can beat up your linebackers!”
That was a quote once used to describe Daunte Culpepper, back when the league had never really seen a quarterback over 250lbs, and the notion of linebackers just bouncing off quarterbacks to the floor was ridiculous. Passers with that size still don’t exactly grow on trees, but it’s at least common enough for people to take it in stride when ‘Big’ Ben Roethlisberger stiff arms a linebacker or defensive lineman to the turf.
He is tough to take down. You’re talking about a guy who outweighs most linebackers he’ll face and plenty of pass rushers in today’s era of situational rush specialists. It’s one thing to take a guy to the ground who isn’t fighting to stay upright, even if he isn’t much smaller than you are, but Roethlisberger doesn’t hit the deck without a fight. Getting the pressure is only half the job when he is under center, you also need to corral him in the pocket and then eventually drag him to the ground, all before he can get rid of the football. That’s not easy.
Flashbacks to Tarkenton
When most quarterbacks are pressured into leaving the pocket they’re looking to either run immediately, using their athleticism to pick up yardage, or they head to the sideline away from the pressure, see if anything opens up downfield, and then pass or throw the ball out of bounds. Roethlisberger doesn’t settle for that, though he will do both of those on occasion. Instead, his tape is littered with plays that could have come straight out of a Fran Tarkenton highlight reel. He will change direction, juke, spin and scramble around behind the line of scrimmage for as long as he can remain elusive or until he can find a pass to hit. The thing that makes them different is that they’re using their athleticism simply to buy time, rather than to get out of trouble and abandon most of their passing targets.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Take this simple 2nd-and-10 play from the Dallas game this year. The Steelers are on the edge of field goal range at the Dallas 30, with Roethlisberger in the gun after an incomplete pass on first down. The play is designed to be a simple 2.5 second drop and throw, with Heath Miller hooking up five yards down field. Instead of taking those five yards, Roethlisberger wants one of the double moves he has working downfield to the outside, so he pump fakes and waits for either receiver to uncover. Neither does, and so he continues to climb the pocket before ducking under the pressure from that edge. He fakes past another rusher, scoots to his left and eventually delivers the ball to Heath Miller, his original slam-dunk target, down the right sideline for a touchdown… 8.4 seconds after the ball was snapped.
That kind of ability to scramble around and yet stay within viable striking distance of the whole field buys receivers the time and space to just drift off to an area uncovered by the defense, exactly like Miller does here. You can’t expect coverage to hold up for eight seconds, it’s just not realistic. Somebody is going to blow it given that much time to try and adjust on the fly.
This is the great balancing act Roethlisberger brings. He is only pressured at all on this play because he holds the ball too long and climbs the pocket too far, causing his right tackle to lose leverage on his block and the entire protection scheme to collapse around him, but at the same time his ability to avoid that pressure for another five seconds is what opens up the pass to Miller and turns a five-yard gain into a touchdown.
The Pump Fake and Next Level
Nobody in football has a better pump fake than Roethlisberger. Unlike some quarterbacks who just give a little shoulder feint or slight movement with the football, he is able to throw practically a full pass and then pull it back in and reload. That’s a game-changer for defensive backs who are usually able to distinguish a pump fake from a pass by other quarterbacks but can’t do the same thing when they’re facing the Steelers. At PFF we record the time between the snap and the ball leaving the quarterback’s hands, and Roethlisberger’s pump fake has become my own personal hell over the past couple of seasons. It’s so effective and convincing that even after watching the play and screwing up once – even knowing it’s coming – it can still sucker you into hitting the button on the stopwatch early.
Imagine being an NFL safety, keying in on the quarterback and needing to read things early to have any hope of beating the ball to the receiver. That pump fake is enough to make those guys jump on passes he never has any intention of throwing, taking them yards out of position and opening windows deep down field. I’ve spoken to NFL safeties who couldn’t talk enough how much they hate that weapon.
But despite all of this, the thing that is most unique about Roethlisberger is something I don’t think I have ever seen another quarterback do consistently – he moves around behind the line of scrimmage with the sole purpose of shifting defenders in coverage.
While most passers see the field almost in two dimensions, with coverage defenders and receivers moving around in front of them, Roethlisberger sees a third dimension: how those defenders react when he moves from the top of his drop.
I don’t think there is another quarterback in football that can deliberately move players in coverage the way Roethlisberger can. Some passers will understand that when they’re moving out towards the sideline they can force a linebacker caught in no man’s land to play them instead of the receiver, drawing him forward before dumping the ball over his head, but Roethlisberger is the only one that will move from the pocket solely to make that happen, rather than simply reacting to pressure and taking advantage of the situation. He is proactive rather than reactive in this regard.
Take this play from last year against the Redskins. Facing 3rd-and-Goal from the Washington 7, the Steelers line up with a bunch formation in tight to the right, two receivers to his left and Roethlisberger alone in the backfield in the gun.
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The first thing to understand about this play is that Roethlisberger is only ever trying to get the ball to Heath Miller, aligned at the top of the bunch and covered well by the Redskins initially. Instead of going through his progression and trying to find a better target, he instead just starts working his way through his bag of tricks to try and free Miller from the coverage.
After seeing the defense drop into coverage he isn’t worried about Lorenzo Alexander, the linebacker in man coverage on Miller. Roethlisberger is confident that Miller can lose him if he gets the chance and with his back to the quarterback, Alexander doesn’t stand much chance of making a play on the ball in such tight quarters. The player that he needs to deal with is London Fletcher, the middle linebacker with eyes only on the quarterback, ready to jump any pass put in that direction.
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The first thing he tries in order to shift Fletcher is a pump fake. He looks left in the direction of Jericho Cotchery and fires a full-motion pump fake, but Fletcher barely takes a step in that direction. Next he leaves the pocket through the strong-side A-gap and instead of making straight for the goal line – a good chance of scoring, but one that would require running into at least one tackle attempt – he flattens out his run, drawing Fletcher up towards him just enough to allow Miller to sneak in behind for the touchdown pass.
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Watching Steelers tape from last season is fantastic. You can see Todd Haley trying to contain Roethlisberger within the offense, trying to rein him in like a horse than just wants to bolt. The opening of every game would begin with a series of short, rhythm passes as the Steelers tried to march down the field in little passing increments exactly by the book. But Roethlisberger just isn’t that type of quarterback. He can do it, sure, but trying to limit him to that is to take away what makes him special. By half time in most games you could see the point that he mentally thought “to hell with this!” and suddenly pump fakes, scrambles and endlessly extended plays are everywhere.
At some point you have to embrace the fact that it might not be by the book, but it is a nightmare for defenses to deal with. Roethlisberger may never appear in any coaching manual, but he is one of the toughest passers to defend in football, and he has a host of unique qualities that make his game truly enigmatic.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:46 pm
He seems to do good in stripes.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:53 pm
Im afraid it going to be a long season fo us. No RB, I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back for this team especially behind this line. Ben is older and gets beat up, Millers has bad knees . Wallace is gone so our ability to strech the field is questionable (being nice) Is Wheaton going to produce? Defensively we are old, Troy can't stay healthy. Not surprised if we see 7-9 or worse
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:43 pm
captnbrojangles wrote: Im afraid it going to be a long season fo us. No RB, I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back for this team especially behind this line. Ben is older and gets beat up, Millers has bad knees . Wallace is gone so our ability to strech the field is questionable (being nice) Is Wheaton going to produce? Defensively we are old, Troy can't stay healthy. Not surprised if we see 7-9 or worse
I was saying worse before the draft but I changed my mind. I could see a bad season and I can also see a good season. I think it will depend on how good our draft picks are and how quickly the adapt to the NFL level. Either way, I would understand having a very slow start.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:45 pm
Dmounts wrote:He seems to do good in stripes.
Ha, ha-ha.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:50 am
THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THE STEELERS FACE EACH YEAR IS OVER-COMING THE INCOMPETENCE OF IT'S HEADCOACH AND OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR ... OTHER THAN THAT , THE STEELERS USUALLY ALWAYS CONTEND FOR A PLAYOFF POSITION OFF SHEAR DESIRE AND DOMINATING DEFENSE , THEY WERE AGAIN RANKED AT THE TOP DEFENSIVELY LAST SEASON.
BELL IS THE REAL DEAL AND SHOULD DO GREAT IF THE O.C. CAN ACT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND PUT TOGETHER A COMPETENT GAME-PLAN AND CLEVER PLAYCALLING.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE COACHING AGAIN.
BELL IS THE REAL DEAL AND SHOULD DO GREAT IF THE O.C. CAN ACT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND PUT TOGETHER A COMPETENT GAME-PLAN AND CLEVER PLAYCALLING.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE COACHING AGAIN.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:39 pm
TASKFORCE wrote:THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THE STEELERS FACE EACH YEAR IS OVER-COMING THE INCOMPETENCE OF IT'S HEADCOACH AND OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR ... OTHER THAN THAT , THE STEELERS USUALLY ALWAYS CONTEND FOR A PLAYOFF POSITION OFF SHEAR DESIRE AND DOMINATING DEFENSE , THEY WERE AGAIN RANKED AT THE TOP DEFENSIVELY LAST SEASON.
BELL IS THE REAL DEAL AND SHOULD DO GREAT IF THE O.C. CAN ACT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND PUT TOGETHER A COMPETENT GAME-PLAN AND CLEVER PLAYCALLING.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE COACHING AGAIN.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2012&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:52 pm
TASKFORCE wrote:THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THE STEELERS FACE EACH YEAR IS OVER-COMING THE INCOMPETENCE OF IT'S HEADCOACH AND OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR ... OTHER THAN THAT , THE STEELERS USUALLY ALWAYS CONTEND FOR A PLAYOFF POSITION OFF SHEAR DESIRE AND DOMINATING DEFENSE , THEY WERE AGAIN RANKED AT THE TOP DEFENSIVELY LAST SEASON.
BELL IS THE REAL DEAL AND SHOULD DO GREAT IF THE O.C. CAN ACT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL AND PUT TOGETHER A COMPETENT GAME-PLAN AND CLEVER PLAYCALLING.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE COACHING AGAIN.
I'm more concerned about our lack of experience. I think Tomlin can win but can our players play. If Tomlin doesn't panick and makes the bone-headed decisions, we can win. I actually see our team starting out real slow but improving exponentially as the season progresses.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by RLON39 Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:18 am
I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:21 pm
RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
AGREED
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:32 pm
RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:47 pm
captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:03 pm
diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:38 am
captnbrojangles wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that stat.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:07 pm
diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that stat.
ONE BAD GAME WHERE HE ONLY GOT 17 CARRIES IS A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT ... CONSIDERING IT WAS A WELL COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT MICHIGAN STATE HAD NO OTHER WEAPONS THEY PLACED ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES EMPHASIS ON STOPPING BELL ... AND HE STILL GAINED 45 YARDS ON ONLY 17 CARRIES ... GREAT RB'S NEED AT LEAST 25 CARRIES A GAME TO EVENTUALLY BREAK SOME LONG RUNS , WHICH MAKES THE STATS LOOK A LOT BETTER . BELL DOMINATED MOST TEAMS WHO ALSO ATTEMPTED TO STOP HIM WITH ALL ELEVEN DEFENDERS ... SO BY SIMPLY POINT OUT THAT OHIO STATE WAS SUCCESSFUL PROBABLY POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BLWOING MSU OUT OF THE GAME FORCING MSU TO ABANDON THE RUN GAME AND THROW WHENEVER THEY HAD THE BALL ... BELL WAS NOT A REACH IN THE DRAFT , A REACH IS WHAT CAPTN IS DOING BY TRYING TO UNDERMINE THIS KIDS TALENT ...CAPTN REACHED ALL THE WAY TO A SINGLE GAME AGAINST A TOP COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM ... THATS THE REACH , NOT BELL.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by diehardsteersfan Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:18 pm
TASKFORCE wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that stat.
ONE BAD GAME WHERE HE ONLY GOT 17 CARRIES IS A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT ... CONSIDERING IT WAS A WELL COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT MICHIGAN STATE HAD NO OTHER WEAPONS THEY PLACED ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES EMPHASIS ON STOPPING BELL ... AND HE STILL GAINED 45 YARDS ON ONLY 17 CARRIES ... GREAT RB'S NEED AT LEAST 25 CARRIES A GAME TO EVENTUALLY BREAK SOME LONG RUNS , WHICH MAKES THE STATS LOOK A LOT BETTER . BELL DOMINATED MOST TEAMS WHO ALSO ATTEMPTED TO STOP HIM WITH ALL ELEVEN DEFENDERS ... SO BY SIMPLY POINT OUT THAT OHIO STATE WAS SUCCESSFUL PROBABLY POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BLWOING MSU OUT OF THE GAME FORCING MSU TO ABANDON THE RUN GAME AND THROW WHENEVER THEY HAD THE BALL ... BELL WAS NOT A REACH IN THE DRAFT , A REACH IS WHAT CAPTN IS DOING BY TRYING TO UNDERMINE THIS KIDS TALENT ...CAPTN REACHED ALL THE WAY TO A SINGLE GAME AGAINST A TOP COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM ... THATS THE REACH , NOT BELL.
Far be it from me to get into a pissing match but Bell was gaining about only a little over 2-yards per carry in that game. From all the rave about how tough a powerful this kid was I just expected better is all. But your point is well taken.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:22 pm
diehardsteersfan wrote:TASKFORCE wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that stat.
ONE BAD GAME WHERE HE ONLY GOT 17 CARRIES IS A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT ... CONSIDERING IT WAS A WELL COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT MICHIGAN STATE HAD NO OTHER WEAPONS THEY PLACED ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES EMPHASIS ON STOPPING BELL ... AND HE STILL GAINED 45 YARDS ON ONLY 17 CARRIES ... GREAT RB'S NEED AT LEAST 25 CARRIES A GAME TO EVENTUALLY BREAK SOME LONG RUNS , WHICH MAKES THE STATS LOOK A LOT BETTER . BELL DOMINATED MOST TEAMS WHO ALSO ATTEMPTED TO STOP HIM WITH ALL ELEVEN DEFENDERS ... SO BY SIMPLY POINT OUT THAT OHIO STATE WAS SUCCESSFUL PROBABLY POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BLWOING MSU OUT OF THE GAME FORCING MSU TO ABANDON THE RUN GAME AND THROW WHENEVER THEY HAD THE BALL ... BELL WAS NOT A REACH IN THE DRAFT , A REACH IS WHAT CAPTN IS DOING BY TRYING TO UNDERMINE THIS KIDS TALENT ...CAPTN REACHED ALL THE WAY TO A SINGLE GAME AGAINST A TOP COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM ... THATS THE REACH , NOT BELL.
Far be it from me to get into a pissing match but Bell was gaining about only a little over 2-yards per carry in that game. From all the rave about how tough a powerful this kid was I just expected better is all. But your point is well taken.
In three bowl games, had 206 rushing yards on 53 carries (68.7 ypg.; 3.9 avg.) . . .in the 2012 Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl after rushing for a game-high 145 yards and one touchdown on 32 carries in MSU's win over TCU . . . rushed for 48 yards on 17 carries (2.8 avg.), including TD runs of 8 yards and 1 yard, in the triple-overtime win over No. 18 Georgia in the 2012 Outback Bowl; also had five receptions for 39 yards . . . his 1-yard TD against the Bulldogs with 14 seconds left in the fourth quarter tied the score at 27 and sent the game into overtime . . . had 13 rushing yards on four carries vs. No. 15 Alabama in the 2011 Capital One Bowl.
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:38 am
diehardsteersfan wrote:TASKFORCE wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:diehardsteersfan wrote:captnbrojangles wrote:RLON39 wrote: I just don't see Bell as an everyday successful back^^^^^^^^
Share your concerns about the line, but Bell what backs need to be all pros. He is going to wow people with his ability to run between the tackles yet be a receiving threat at the same time, which is uncommon in today's game. He is a Stephen Jackson clone.
He was a stud Sparty led them B1G in rushing. He is slow to find holes but once he does he is extremely explosive! At 6'1 he is a big target. He will get reps at receiving as well, I just have my doubts about his ability to take NFL punishment
I don't remember who published it but he led the NCAA running backs with yards after contact. I think he should be just fine. Here it is, I will post the context of the article and then the link.
According to STATS, Bell gained 922 of his 1,793 rushing yards (51 percent) after contact, which ranked first among all NCAA FBS running backs, and broke 16 tackles. In addition, he produced 82 first downs and 34 runs of 10 or more yards, including 13 gains of 20 or more yards. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
my concern is his stats vs big athletic defenses...17 rushes 45 yards vs Ohio State for example. I just think he was a real reach where they took him...man I cant wait for the season to start LOL
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that stat.
ONE BAD GAME WHERE HE ONLY GOT 17 CARRIES IS A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT ... CONSIDERING IT WAS A WELL COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT MICHIGAN STATE HAD NO OTHER WEAPONS THEY PLACED ALL OF THEIR DEFENSES EMPHASIS ON STOPPING BELL ... AND HE STILL GAINED 45 YARDS ON ONLY 17 CARRIES ... GREAT RB'S NEED AT LEAST 25 CARRIES A GAME TO EVENTUALLY BREAK SOME LONG RUNS , WHICH MAKES THE STATS LOOK A LOT BETTER . BELL DOMINATED MOST TEAMS WHO ALSO ATTEMPTED TO STOP HIM WITH ALL ELEVEN DEFENDERS ... SO BY SIMPLY POINT OUT THAT OHIO STATE WAS SUCCESSFUL PROBABLY POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BLWOING MSU OUT OF THE GAME FORCING MSU TO ABANDON THE RUN GAME AND THROW WHENEVER THEY HAD THE BALL ... BELL WAS NOT A REACH IN THE DRAFT , A REACH IS WHAT CAPTN IS DOING BY TRYING TO UNDERMINE THIS KIDS TALENT ...CAPTN REACHED ALL THE WAY TO A SINGLE GAME AGAINST A TOP COACHED OHIO STATE TEAM ... THATS THE REACH , NOT BELL.
Far be it from me to get into a pissing match but Bell was gaining about only a little over 2-yards per carry in that game. From all the rave about how tough a powerful this kid was I just expected better is all. But your point is well taken.
WELL TRY AND KEEP IN MIND THAT BELL PLAYED ON ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS OFFENSIVELY , AND THEY WERE PLAYING AGAINST ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS
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Re: This is a great breakdown of Big Ben...
by Guest Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:49 am
OK ... I'LL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND PREDICT THAT BELL WINS ROOKIE OF THE YEAR FOR GAINING .... 1200 YARDS RUSHING ..... 500 YARDS RECEIVING
MVP OF THE SUPERBOWL .... PITTSBURGH - 30
SAN FRAN - 24
MVP OF THE SUPERBOWL .... PITTSBURGH - 30
SAN FRAN - 24
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