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Another TT wasted opportunity...
by Guest Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:11 pm
No franchise tag for Matt Flynn
Posted by Josh Alper on March 5, 2012, 4:50 PM EST
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The Packers elected not to use their franchise tag on the backup quarterback, which means he’ll hit the market as an unrestricted free agent on March 13th. The decision wasn’t unexpected, although Green Bay likely considered using the tag in order to get something more than a mid-round draft pick as compensation when another team moves to make Flynn their starting quarterback.
Franchising Flynn would have carried a $14.4 million price tag, a pretty hefty meatball for a team with other salary cap concerns. They would have had to release other players by March 13th to make room for Flynn and then they would have to hold off on making moves while waiting to deal him. Any team looking to make a trade for Flynn would know that the Packers had to make a deal quickly to open up cap space, something that could lead to drawn-out negotiations that hurt the team’s ability to address other needs.
Flynn will be one of the hottest names on the free agent market. The Dolphins, Seahawks, Browns and Redskins have all been talked about as potential bidders for his services.
...you pick a guy in the draft... You spend 4-5 years and a couple of million dollars developing him into what is a highly marketable commodity... You have the means to get something in return for that commodity--and you just let it die on the fucking vine...
Seriously--the guy has done nothing since this team won the superbowl... Nothing. There's really no excuse for him not to have set himself up properly to capitalize on this opportunity. That's a high board 1st or at minimum 2nd round pick just pissed fucking away...
Posted by Josh Alper on March 5, 2012, 4:50 PM EST
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The Packers elected not to use their franchise tag on the backup quarterback, which means he’ll hit the market as an unrestricted free agent on March 13th. The decision wasn’t unexpected, although Green Bay likely considered using the tag in order to get something more than a mid-round draft pick as compensation when another team moves to make Flynn their starting quarterback.
Franchising Flynn would have carried a $14.4 million price tag, a pretty hefty meatball for a team with other salary cap concerns. They would have had to release other players by March 13th to make room for Flynn and then they would have to hold off on making moves while waiting to deal him. Any team looking to make a trade for Flynn would know that the Packers had to make a deal quickly to open up cap space, something that could lead to drawn-out negotiations that hurt the team’s ability to address other needs.
Flynn will be one of the hottest names on the free agent market. The Dolphins, Seahawks, Browns and Redskins have all been talked about as potential bidders for his services.
...you pick a guy in the draft... You spend 4-5 years and a couple of million dollars developing him into what is a highly marketable commodity... You have the means to get something in return for that commodity--and you just let it die on the fucking vine...
Seriously--the guy has done nothing since this team won the superbowl... Nothing. There's really no excuse for him not to have set himself up properly to capitalize on this opportunity. That's a high board 1st or at minimum 2nd round pick just pissed fucking away...
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by duck Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:34 pm
Evidently the Packers felt it was to risky to gamble $14.4M on a back up QB if they couldn't trade him... but I agree with you, HD, the whole affair was managed poorly. In today's pass-happy NFL, the most valuable commodity is a top tier QB and we have exactly that in Flynn. Surely there would be some team out there who would cough up some nice high draft picks for a proven player like him.
After that Detroit game, Flynn made himself a huge chunk of change but the Packers should have correspondingly benefitted as well. As it stands, I'm sure we'll get a third round compensation pick for him when all is said and done -- and that is still a profit from the seventh round pick invested in him. However, there should be a bigger payoff.
You're right, TT hasn't done jack for about a year now.
Let's hope he delivers a good draft. At least that's something we've come to expect from him.
I have no friggin idea why he remains so inflexible about free agency and everything else. I can't believe he doesn't have the brains to think out of the box and see what everyone else is seeing. It must be rooted in some character flaw... probably something connected to his albino gene.
After that Detroit game, Flynn made himself a huge chunk of change but the Packers should have correspondingly benefitted as well. As it stands, I'm sure we'll get a third round compensation pick for him when all is said and done -- and that is still a profit from the seventh round pick invested in him. However, there should be a bigger payoff.
You're right, TT hasn't done jack for about a year now.
Let's hope he delivers a good draft. At least that's something we've come to expect from him.
I have no friggin idea why he remains so inflexible about free agency and everything else. I can't believe he doesn't have the brains to think out of the box and see what everyone else is seeing. It must be rooted in some character flaw... probably something connected to his albino gene.
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by JnC4GB Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:04 pm
Your man Andrew Brandt laid out a pretty good rationale for not putting a tag on Flynn. Barring a penciled contract all set up and a set deal with another team in place, the risk of having to pay a back up QB 14+ million when you're already right up against the cap as it is just didn't make sense. Especially when the only difference is likely between a 2nd round pick versus a 3rd round pick.
Don't need to be an actuary to see this one.
Don't need to be an actuary to see this one.
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by Guest Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:45 pm
JnC4GB wrote:Your man Andrew Brandt laid out a pretty good rationale for not putting a tag on Flynn. Barring a penciled contract all set up and a set deal with another team in place, the risk of having to pay a back up QB 14+ million when you're already right up against the cap as it is just didn't make sense. Especially when the only difference is likely between a 2nd round pick versus a 3rd round pick.
Don't need to be an actuary to see this one.
It's a game, JnC... TT and Brandt are birds of a feather...and their conservatism is of no secret to anyone. It's not surprising to me that TT blew an almost certain sure thing here--but being true to his nature hardly qualifies him as having made the right decision...
The bottom line is this: Even if TT pursued tag/trade opportunities--no one is going to be the first to step in the ring because--given his nature--no one believed he would tag Flynn without a deal in place. There an art of the deal--and TT, like Brandt, do not possess the brass balls sometimes necessary to swing for the fences when a ball is a little low and a little outside...
Watch what happens with the market for Flynn. See what dynamics take place as teams maneuver to secure him. He will be looking at payday primetime. He likely could have brought a 1st round pick...and, for those like Brandt who say tagging him would have put the Pack right up against the cap and in a compromised negotiating position--I merely say this. True. But whose fault is that? TT had all the time in the world to plan for this--it should been front/center in his off-season strategic plan to clear the necessary cap room to be in a position to have his cake--and eat it too. You obviously don't see it...Brandt obviously doesn't see it--but an A player worth his/her salt at GM--would have been all over tagging Flynn and successfully turning that now lost asset--into another more valuable asset...not unlike what Belichick recently did with Matt Cassel--scoring the 34th pick in the draft for an equivalent asset that TT has just flushed twice and sent down the river...
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by duck Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:32 pm
Let me use a poker analogy to explain the way I see it. The franchise gamble with Flynn was not just about the Packers' financial strength and weakness... more to the point, it was about the needs of other teams. The best poker players in today's game are the aggressive ones, the ones who place bit bets, even when they have nothing, if they can get a read that their opponent is also weak.
In this sense, sure, the Packers would be gambling that they would be stuck with a $14.4M tab. That is indeed the worst case scenario... that no one makes a play for Flynn and their stuck with a back up QB with a huge salary.
But what are the chances of that happening? There are at least a dozen teams out there desperate for a proven QB. It's a pass-happy league. If you don't have a quality QB, your team cannot even think about going anywhere, so such a commodity is a must-have for every team. Flynn is pure gold right now. There is no doubt in my mind that somebody out there would give the Packers a nice draft pick (most likely a #1) for him.
Even if the Packers get a little antsy, they could reduce the price to a #2 and have people knocking at their door.
It sounds like it's really a scary gamble... but it's not. Flynn is hot property and the Packers failed to capitalize on it.
In this sense, sure, the Packers would be gambling that they would be stuck with a $14.4M tab. That is indeed the worst case scenario... that no one makes a play for Flynn and their stuck with a back up QB with a huge salary.
But what are the chances of that happening? There are at least a dozen teams out there desperate for a proven QB. It's a pass-happy league. If you don't have a quality QB, your team cannot even think about going anywhere, so such a commodity is a must-have for every team. Flynn is pure gold right now. There is no doubt in my mind that somebody out there would give the Packers a nice draft pick (most likely a #1) for him.
Even if the Packers get a little antsy, they could reduce the price to a #2 and have people knocking at their door.
It sounds like it's really a scary gamble... but it's not. Flynn is hot property and the Packers failed to capitalize on it.
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by KBen Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:27 pm
Sorry kids, but TT played this right.
There was no big rush for Flynn's services, the whole Manning festival put a damper on any chance of that.
No doubt TT put the proper feelers out there and with Peyton possibly available any takers weren't biting on giving up a pick & 14+mil guaranteed for Flynn.
Had he tagged him anyway & tried to pull it off with no set deal in place the Pack would, by rule, have to have the 14+mil tag contract under the cap for the last week, considering that we are only about 7mil under right now there would have had to be some cuts & restructurings & bullshit to simply be under the cap limit.
Only Seattle & Miami eventually made it known they were interested, & Flynn picked Seattle.
Probably the wiser choice considering how screwed Miami has been over the last few years...don't they now have Tinhorn for O coordinator ?
Yup, fucktard Pete Carroll is definitely better than ol coach Huge-Pants that's for damn sure....
contract isn't huge, so the Pack will prolly get a 4th round compensatory in the '13 draft at this point, but if he lights it up out there in the dismal NFC West it could push it to a 3rd....
anyway, here's more on Flynn signing....
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Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 5:34 PM EDT
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Dolphins under owner Stephen Ross not long ago seemed to be like a
large man with a big bat who simply couldn’t connect on a high and tight
fastball. Now, perhaps the better comparison is a little kid swinging a
cracked broom at a piñata that is hanging too high for him to reach.
Free-agent quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],
who set on January 1 a Packers franchise record with 480 passing yards,
has agreed to terms with the Seahawks, according to Adam Schefter of
ESPN.
Schefter reports that Flynn will sign a three-year deal worth up to
$26 million, with $10 million guaranteed. The maximum annual value of
less than $9 million reflects skepticism regarding Flynn’s ability to
get it done as the week-in, week-out starting quarterback. And the “up
to” means that the deal includes incentive payments, likely based on
whether he plays.
There’s no guarantee he will. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has a year as the starter, and six total years in the system that Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell uses.
And so it’ll be harder for Flynn to get to the field in Seattle than
it would have been in Miami. And yet he chose that over a reunion with
former Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, now the head coach wih
the Dolphins.
Maybe the Dolphins really did lowball Flynn, thinking he’d take less
to be with Philbin. Maybe Flynn, like Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], decided not to be a Dolphin.
Either way, it puts the Dolphins in even more of a bind. Their best
bet now will be to acquire the starter that gets bumped by Peyton
Manning: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Or maybe to make a Hail Mary effort to get back into the Peyton chase.
There was no big rush for Flynn's services, the whole Manning festival put a damper on any chance of that.
No doubt TT put the proper feelers out there and with Peyton possibly available any takers weren't biting on giving up a pick & 14+mil guaranteed for Flynn.
Had he tagged him anyway & tried to pull it off with no set deal in place the Pack would, by rule, have to have the 14+mil tag contract under the cap for the last week, considering that we are only about 7mil under right now there would have had to be some cuts & restructurings & bullshit to simply be under the cap limit.
Only Seattle & Miami eventually made it known they were interested, & Flynn picked Seattle.
Probably the wiser choice considering how screwed Miami has been over the last few years...don't they now have Tinhorn for O coordinator ?
Yup, fucktard Pete Carroll is definitely better than ol coach Huge-Pants that's for damn sure....
contract isn't huge, so the Pack will prolly get a 4th round compensatory in the '13 draft at this point, but if he lights it up out there in the dismal NFC West it could push it to a 3rd....
anyway, here's more on Flynn signing....
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Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 5:34 PM EDT
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Getty ImagesThe
Dolphins under owner Stephen Ross not long ago seemed to be like a
large man with a big bat who simply couldn’t connect on a high and tight
fastball. Now, perhaps the better comparison is a little kid swinging a
cracked broom at a piñata that is hanging too high for him to reach.
Free-agent quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],
who set on January 1 a Packers franchise record with 480 passing yards,
has agreed to terms with the Seahawks, according to Adam Schefter of
ESPN.
Schefter reports that Flynn will sign a three-year deal worth up to
$26 million, with $10 million guaranteed. The maximum annual value of
less than $9 million reflects skepticism regarding Flynn’s ability to
get it done as the week-in, week-out starting quarterback. And the “up
to” means that the deal includes incentive payments, likely based on
whether he plays.
There’s no guarantee he will. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has a year as the starter, and six total years in the system that Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell uses.
And so it’ll be harder for Flynn to get to the field in Seattle than
it would have been in Miami. And yet he chose that over a reunion with
former Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, now the head coach wih
the Dolphins.
Maybe the Dolphins really did lowball Flynn, thinking he’d take less
to be with Philbin. Maybe Flynn, like Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], decided not to be a Dolphin.
Either way, it puts the Dolphins in even more of a bind. Their best
bet now will be to acquire the starter that gets bumped by Peyton
Manning: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Or maybe to make a Hail Mary effort to get back into the Peyton chase.
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Re: Another TT wasted opportunity...
by Guest Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:52 am
KBen wrote:Sorry kids, but TT played this right.
There was no big rush for Flynn's services, the whole Manning festival put a damper on any chance of that.
No doubt TT put the proper feelers out there and with Peyton possibly available any takers weren't biting on giving up a pick & 14+mil guaranteed for Flynn.
Had he tagged him anyway & tried to pull it off with no set deal in place the Pack would, by rule, have to have the 14+mil tag contract under the cap for the last week, considering that we are only about 7mil under right now there would have had to be some cuts & restructurings & bullshit to simply be under the cap limit.
Only Seattle & Miami eventually made it known they were interested, & Flynn picked Seattle.
Probably the wiser choice considering how screwed Miami has been over the last few years...don't they now have Tinhorn for O coordinator ?
Yup, fucktard Pete Carroll is definitely better than ol coach Huge-Pants that's for damn sure....
contract isn't huge, so the Pack will prolly get a 4th round compensatory in the '13 draft at this point, but if he lights it up out there in the dismal NFC West it could push it to a 3rd....
anyway, here's more on Flynn signing....
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 5:34 PM EDT
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Getty ImagesThe
Dolphins under owner Stephen Ross not long ago seemed to be like a
large man with a big bat who simply couldn’t connect on a high and tight
fastball. Now, perhaps the better comparison is a little kid swinging a
cracked broom at a piñata that is hanging too high for him to reach.
Free-agent quarterback [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],
who set on January 1 a Packers franchise record with 480 passing yards,
has agreed to terms with the Seahawks, according to Adam Schefter of
ESPN.
Schefter reports that Flynn will sign a three-year deal worth up to
$26 million, with $10 million guaranteed. The maximum annual value of
less than $9 million reflects skepticism regarding Flynn’s ability to
get it done as the week-in, week-out starting quarterback. And the “up
to” means that the deal includes incentive payments, likely based on
whether he plays.
There’s no guarantee he will. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has a year as the starter, and six total years in the system that Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell uses.
And so it’ll be harder for Flynn to get to the field in Seattle than
it would have been in Miami. And yet he chose that over a reunion with
former Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, now the head coach wih
the Dolphins.
Maybe the Dolphins really did lowball Flynn, thinking he’d take less
to be with Philbin. Maybe Flynn, like Jim Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], decided not to be a Dolphin.
Either way, it puts the Dolphins in even more of a bind. Their best
bet now will be to acquire the starter that gets bumped by Peyton
Manning: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Or maybe to make a Hail Mary effort to get back into the Peyton chase.
Look at the 49ers, for example...
Alex Smith turned the corner last year--and with all the bullshit he's had to put up with in his time in SF--they should have known better than pick that scab yet again...
They've now set themselves up to be completely fucked at QB if they don't score Manning--and, unless Manning's agent is as big a dolt as Flynn's--they'll milk that 49er tit for every creamy drop because they'll know they can...
...and if the 9ers lose out on Manning and Smith walks--Matt Flynn takes his turn at the frothy tap to milk that baby dry--because he's the only real option that remains at QB in the market for a team aspiring for a SuperBowl performance... Like I said--somebody needs to pimp-slap Flynn's agent--and his mother, too.. 
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