Anybody doubt now that Schwartz needs to go?

WallyRob1249 wrote:OK, after today's latest debacle, this post is not knee jerk. It's based on fact. Jim Schwartz is 23-37 up to this point. They are 9-14 since last year's 5-0 start. His teams are typically in the top five in most penalties the NFL. He has one total division road win in four seasons (last year in Minnesota). His teams are 0-4 on Thanksgiving. If not for last years miraculous finishes vs. Dallas, Minnesota (twice), Oakland and Carolina, we're looking at four straight losing seasons. If he were coaching anywhere but Detroit, his fate would be sealed and he'd be fired. But Mayhew, hired by Millen and now looking very Millen like in his personnel moves is just as incompetent and is incapable of righting the ship. After all, it was Mayhew who drafted Titus and Broyles (coming of an ACL injury no less) with high picks when the team desparately needed defensive playmakers. It was Mayhew who moved up in the draft to take Javid Best even though the player had a concussion warning label on him from college. Now Best's career has been sidelined by what? You guessed it. Concussions!! It was Mayhew who drafted Titus, a childish prima donna with obvious character flaws that were not flagged before the draft. It was Mayhew who in the last three drafts now only has one player (Suh) from the first two rounds of the draft that are full time starters. Where do you start here? Since the Fords are not going to fire Mayhew, the coach has to go. But given Mayhew's incompetence, do we trust him to make the right decision on the next coach?

I had given Mayhew a solid B before the season and I was the pessimist. Man...I was far too kind and Walker, you have done a good job of really laying it out. I will go one up on you and talk a little about trades and FAs. I thought trades were Mayhew's strong suit but I'm not so sure any longer. I still feel that he has gotten more value out of what he brought in then what he gave up but the delta is not nearly as big as the credit I gave him before this year.

Corey Williams...solid but an offsides waiting to happen and regressing each year. Sims...he may be the best interior OL on the team but that bar is really, really low and Sims isn't very far over that bar. His last two games have been horrible. The trade up to get Best? Ouch. I thought the Roy WIlliams trade was brilliant until I saw his draft. Some of his better trades were for Scheffler (better than Pettigrew but won't give him the time), Jackson (solid backup), and his best deal, Houston.

Free agency has been horrendous. I am still looking for a real impact player he has brought in via free agency. The best I can come up with is Tulloch who is a very average MLB. Man...the rest are virtually invisible.

Trades are Still the best part of his personnel strategy but with the exception of Houston and maybe Scheffler I'm not sure the impact is what it needs to be to make up for poor draft and FA work.

I had given Mayhew a solid B before the season and I was the pessimist. Man...I was far too kind and Walker, you have done a good job of really laying it out. I will go one up on you and talk a little about trades and FAs. I thought trades were Mayhew's strong suit but I'm not so sure any longer. I still feel that he has gotten more value out of what he brought in then what he gave up but the delta is not nearly as big as the credit I gave him before this year.

Corey Williams...solid but an offsides waiting to happen and regressing each year. Sims...he may be the best interior OL on the team but that bar is really, really low and Sims isn't very far over that bar. His last two games have been horrible. The trade up to get Best? Ouch. I thought the Roy WIlliams trade was brilliant until I saw his draft. Some of his better trades were for Scheffler (better than Pettigrew but won't give him the time), Jackson (solid backup), and his best deal, Houston.

Free agency has been horrendous. I am still looking for a real impact player he has brought in via free agency. The best I can come up with is Tulloch who is a very average MLB. Man...the rest are virtually invisible.

Trades are Still the best part of his personnel strategy but with the exception of Houston and maybe Scheffler I'm not sure the impact is what it needs to be to make up for poor draft and FA work.

You really laid it out there yourself. Good points all. What is most painful to watch is the group think of the Lions brass and how they try to sell us on a player that is as useful as a bald tire on a cross country trip. I remember this past summer for example when they let Eric Wright (a decent CB with good size and speed) walk and brought in Jacob Lacy as a possible replacement. I looked Lacy up and found the guy was a backup on the Colts league worst team last year. No surprise, Lacy plays up to his pedigree for our Lions. Yet, Matt Mayhew (his name from now on) tried to sell this kid as being a potential starter and a productive professional during his years at Indy. Couple poor trades and FA signings with extremely poor drafting and we have now the MM Horror Show part II, only this time MM doesn't stand for Matt Millen. It stands for Martin Mayhew. That's why I refer to him as Matt Mayhew because of the disturbing similarities we are starting to see.

WallyRob1249 wrote:I had given Mayhew a solid B before the season and I was the pessimist. Man...I was far too kind and Walker, you have done a good job of really laying it out. I will go one up on you and talk a little about trades and FAs. I thought trades were Mayhew's strong suit but I'm not so sure any longer. I still feel that he has gotten more value out of what he brought in then what he gave up but the delta is not nearly as big as the credit I gave him before this year.

Corey Williams...solid but an offsides waiting to happen and regressing each year. Sims...he may be the best interior OL on the team but that bar is really, really low and Sims isn't very far over that bar. His last two games have been horrible. The trade up to get Best? Ouch. I thought the Roy WIlliams trade was brilliant until I saw his draft. Some of his better trades were for Scheffler (better than Pettigrew but won't give him the time), Jackson (solid backup), and his best deal, Houston.

Free agency has been horrendous. I am still looking for a real impact player he has brought in via free agency. The best I can come up with is Tulloch who is a very average MLB. Man...the rest are virtually invisible.

Trades are Still the best part of his personnel strategy but with the exception of Houston and maybe Scheffler I'm not sure the impact is what it needs to be to make up for poor draft and FA work.

You really laid it out there yourself. Good points all. What is most painful to watch is the group think of the Lions brass and how they try to sell us on a player that is as useful as a bald tire on a cross country trip. I remember this past summer for example when they let Eric Wright (a decent CB with good size and speed) walk and brought in Jacob Lacy as a possible replacement. I looked Lacy up and found the guy was a backup on the Colts league worst team last year. No surprise, Lacy plays up to his pedigree for our Lions. Yet, Matt Mayhew (his name from now on) tried to sell this kid as being a potential starter and a productive professional during his years at Indy. Couple poor trades and FA signings with extremely poor drafting and we have now the MM Horror Show part II, only this time MM doesn't stand for Matt Millen. It stands for Martin Mayhew. That's why I refer to him as Matt Mayhew because of the disturbing similarities we are starting to see.

I feel you!!!! It's painful to watch.

[quote="SharBar57"]RWalker...here is another article from a sports writer that has another look at the Titus debacle and maybe how Schwartz has "lost" this team or at least hasn't been able to control it. Discipline is the key...both on and off the field!

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Sharon, this just reinforces my thoughts on this subject. I think Jim Schwartz should be fired. He has a losing record in four seasons, his team is headed for last place and the only identity his teams have established is lack of discipline and inexplicable breakdowns (special teams, defense, red zone offense) in critical moments of games. The only saving grace for Schwartz is his GM, Matt Mayhew, has been just as incompetent. Drafting Titus is his fault and yet another bone-headed move.