Anybody read this book?
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Anybody read this book?
by guppy Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:26 pm
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:07 pm
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It's on my list.
Anyone read this one?
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by guppy Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:54 pm
Ha ha ha. Hilarious. Whenever that old chestnut spygate is dusted off and brought up, its downright hilarious.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:57 pm
guppy wrote:Ha ha ha. Hilarious. Whenever that old chestnut spygate is dusted off and brought up, its downright hilarious.
Read the book Gup.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by guppy Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:13 pm
Total BS. Not that interested in ancient history anyways.
But if I was, I'd rather read something intelligently written:
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But truly I'd really prefer to check out this new book I put up which makes the case that Brady is the best ever. Much more interesting and topical.
But if I was, I'd rather read something intelligently written:
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But truly I'd really prefer to check out this new book I put up which makes the case that Brady is the best ever. Much more interesting and topical.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:10 am
Total BS.
You know that without reading it. Awesome.
Not that interested in ancient history anyways.
Everytime somebody uses the term "Three time Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots" it becomes current.
But if I was, I'd rather read something intelligently written:
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Consider the source;
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Russ Goldman. @Russ_Goldman. I am a fan of the N.E.Patriots and have my
own blog on Patsfans.com. I am also a fan of all Boston Sports
But
truly I'd really prefer to check out this new book I put up which makes
the case that Brady is the best ever. Much more interesting and
topical.
Yea, I was thinking about it, then I found out it was this Pat fan authors 4th self-published ball wash book about the team.
I'll read a serious book that tries to honestly make that case, but I'll pass on one by a guy who probably wears a Bruschi jersey to bed.
Seriously, read the book I put up. Disagree with every conclusion the guy comes to it if you want, but if it doesn't at least make you think you're a Pats pink-hat of Ragsian proportions.
You know that without reading it. Awesome.
Not that interested in ancient history anyways.
Everytime somebody uses the term "Three time Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots" it becomes current.
But if I was, I'd rather read something intelligently written:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Consider the source;
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Russ Goldman. @Russ_Goldman. I am a fan of the N.E.Patriots and have my
own blog on Patsfans.com. I am also a fan of all Boston Sports
But
truly I'd really prefer to check out this new book I put up which makes
the case that Brady is the best ever. Much more interesting and
topical.
Yea, I was thinking about it, then I found out it was this Pat fan authors 4th self-published ball wash book about the team.
I'll read a serious book that tries to honestly make that case, but I'll pass on one by a guy who probably wears a Bruschi jersey to bed.
Seriously, read the book I put up. Disagree with every conclusion the guy comes to it if you want, but if it doesn't at least make you think you're a Pats pink-hat of Ragsian proportions.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by guppy Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:47 pm
Bottom line: In the overall picture of things Spygate is a minor footnote in history - very minor. Totally overblown. A stupid rule was broken. A fine was paid. A top draft choice was forfeited. (If the Pats had that draft choice, there is s strong chance Jordy Nelson would be a Patriot instead of a Packer right now. So the penalty did hurt.) Recording via videotape of human activity done right out in the open in plain view (therefore, not "spying", which implies that the person being watched has no knowledge he's being watched, which is not the case here) is simply not a big deal. No real advantage gained. ("One" on a scale of 100).
Best summary: Nothing more than a stupid mistake, that had no impact, that was blown up by bitter haters to be something far greater than what it actually was.
LOL. To what ever proportion should think me a pink hat, you are a hater (or should I say "despiser" of equal to, or greater, degree.
Patriots are a love-em or hate-em team. Lots of fans love em (me). Lots of fans hate em (you). Difference is, haters don't bother me and don't affect my enjoyment in the least. Even better, I take the hating as a compliment. And I get to celebrate a lot. Because they win a lot. I like celebrating.
But even though we are opposites (me love; you hate) we have one thing in common. We watch it all. When NE plays, it is always facinating Must See TV.
Best summary: Nothing more than a stupid mistake, that had no impact, that was blown up by bitter haters to be something far greater than what it actually was.
LOL. To what ever proportion should think me a pink hat, you are a hater (or should I say "despiser" of equal to, or greater, degree.
Patriots are a love-em or hate-em team. Lots of fans love em (me). Lots of fans hate em (you). Difference is, haters don't bother me and don't affect my enjoyment in the least. Even better, I take the hating as a compliment. And I get to celebrate a lot. Because they win a lot. I like celebrating.
But even though we are opposites (me love; you hate) we have one thing in common. We watch it all. When NE plays, it is always facinating Must See TV.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:31 pm
Bottom
line: In the overall picture of things Spygate is a minor footnote in
history - very minor. Totally overblown. A stupid rule was broken. A
fine was paid. A top draft choice was forfeited. (If the Pats had that
draft choice, there is s strong chance Jordy Nelson would be a Patriot
instead of a Packer right now. So the penalty did hurt.) Recording via
videotape of human activity done right out in the open in plain view
(therefore, not "spying", which implies that the person being watched
has no knowledge he's being watched, which is not the case here)
is simply not a big deal. No real advantage gained. ("One" on a scale
of 100).
(1) The
filming enabled the Patriots coaching staff to anticipate the defensive
plays called by the opposing team. According to Walsh, he first filmed
an opponents’ signals during the August 20, 2000 pre-season game against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. After Walsh filmed a game, he would provide
the tape for Ernie Adams, a coaching assistant for the Patriots, who
would match the signals with the plays.
Walsh was told
by a former offensive player that a few days before the September 11,
2000 regular season game against Tampa Bay, he (the offensive player)
was called into a meeting with Adams, Bill Belichick and Charlie Weis,
then the offensive coordinator for the Patriots, during which it was
explained how the Patriots would make use of the tapes. The
offensive player would memorize the signals and then watch for Tampa
Bay’s defensive calls during the game. He would then pass the plays
along to Weis, who would give instructions to the quarterback on the
field. This process enabled the Patriots to go to a “no-huddle”
offensive, which would lock in the defense the opposing team had called
from the sideline, preventing the defense from making any adjustments.
When Walsh asked whether the tape he had filmed was helpful, the
offensive player said it had enabled the team to anticipate 75 percent
of the plays being called by the opposing team.
Two things;
It would be pretty difficult to memorize both the signals being given and the pre and post snap formations in real time and, if a QB is knows what the defense is doing 75% of the time, it seems to me he's playing with a pretty big advantage.
The author goes on in this section to explain how in that first (2000) season of taping, despite having an overall lousy season the Pats offensive performance improved the second time they played the same team in all but one case.
Remember back when they used to say "If BB sees you twice in the same season, he'll kill you"
For a long time that was true. Not so much anymore. Any theories why?
Read the book.
But
even though we are opposites (me love; you hate) we have one thing in
common. We watch it all. When NE plays, it is always facinating Must
See TV.
If the Patriots are the only game on, and it seems like they're always on here, I'll watch figure
skating.
Which also always seems to be on.
line: In the overall picture of things Spygate is a minor footnote in
history - very minor. Totally overblown. A stupid rule was broken. A
fine was paid. A top draft choice was forfeited. (If the Pats had that
draft choice, there is s strong chance Jordy Nelson would be a Patriot
instead of a Packer right now. So the penalty did hurt.) Recording via
videotape of human activity done right out in the open in plain view
(therefore, not "spying", which implies that the person being watched
has no knowledge he's being watched, which is not the case here)
is simply not a big deal. No real advantage gained. ("One" on a scale
of 100).
(1) The
filming enabled the Patriots coaching staff to anticipate the defensive
plays called by the opposing team. According to Walsh, he first filmed
an opponents’ signals during the August 20, 2000 pre-season game against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. After Walsh filmed a game, he would provide
the tape for Ernie Adams, a coaching assistant for the Patriots, who
would match the signals with the plays.
Walsh was told
by a former offensive player that a few days before the September 11,
2000 regular season game against Tampa Bay, he (the offensive player)
was called into a meeting with Adams, Bill Belichick and Charlie Weis,
then the offensive coordinator for the Patriots, during which it was
explained how the Patriots would make use of the tapes. The
offensive player would memorize the signals and then watch for Tampa
Bay’s defensive calls during the game. He would then pass the plays
along to Weis, who would give instructions to the quarterback on the
field. This process enabled the Patriots to go to a “no-huddle”
offensive, which would lock in the defense the opposing team had called
from the sideline, preventing the defense from making any adjustments.
When Walsh asked whether the tape he had filmed was helpful, the
offensive player said it had enabled the team to anticipate 75 percent
of the plays being called by the opposing team.
Two things;
It would be pretty difficult to memorize both the signals being given and the pre and post snap formations in real time and, if a QB is knows what the defense is doing 75% of the time, it seems to me he's playing with a pretty big advantage.
The author goes on in this section to explain how in that first (2000) season of taping, despite having an overall lousy season the Pats offensive performance improved the second time they played the same team in all but one case.
Remember back when they used to say "If BB sees you twice in the same season, he'll kill you"
For a long time that was true. Not so much anymore. Any theories why?
Read the book.
But
even though we are opposites (me love; you hate) we have one thing in
common. We watch it all. When NE plays, it is always facinating Must
See TV.
If the Patriots are the only game on, and it seems like they're always on here, I'll watch figure
skating.
Which also always seems to be on.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by LRJets Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:00 pm
One other footnote came out of Spygate.
It stirred up memories in one Deacon Hamme who scratched the itch of his Rams with hatred of the Patriots; who he swore taped the pre-game warm ups of the SB vs. the Pats, and if he didn't leap from his church steeple still harbors said hate.
It stirred up memories in one Deacon Hamme who scratched the itch of his Rams with hatred of the Patriots; who he swore taped the pre-game warm ups of the SB vs. the Pats, and if he didn't leap from his church steeple still harbors said hate.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:19 pm
LRJets wrote:One other footnote came out of Spygate.
It stirred up memories in one Deacon Hamme who scratched the itch of his Rams with hatred of the Patriots; who he swore taped the pre-game warm ups of the SB vs. the Pats, and if he didn't leap from his church steeple still harbors said hate.
If I had to guess I'd say that old boy was locked up by now.
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by guppy Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:11 pm
LRJets wrote:One other footnote came out of Spygate.
It stirred up memories in one Deacon Hamme who scratched the itch of his Rams with hatred of the Patriots; who he swore taped the pre-game warm ups of the SB vs. the Pats, and if he didn't leap from his church steeple still harbors said hate.
Well, if the Deacon said so......
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by guppy Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:44 pm
Read the book.
Wouldn't waste my time. Spygate = bunch of BS. Was then. Is now.
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If the Patriots are the only game on, and it seems like they're always on here, I'll watch figure
skating.
Hahahahahaha. Right.
Enjoy the figure skating then. Which turns you on more, the axel jumps, or the flying spins?
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Re: Anybody read this book?
by George1963 Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:41 pm
guppy wrote:
Read the book.
Wouldn't waste my time. Spygate = bunch of BS. Was then. Is now.
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Nice story. Written 2 days before the Pats lost in the playoffs to a team they'd already played that year for the third of four times since they lost their "meaningless" cameras.
Wanna talk then and now?
From 2001-2006 Tom Brady had an 87.05 passer rating against division opponents the first time they played.
He had a 93.02 rating against those same teams the second, or in one case third, time they played. His rating went up almost 6 points against teams he'd already seen. Amazing, or improbable depending on your point of view, especially when you consider the rematches were almost all played in December or January in the northeast.
From 2007-2011 he had a passer rating of 112.83 against division opponents in the first meeting of the year, 99.42 in the rematches.
Almost 6 points better against teams he'd already seen with the cameras,
better than 13 points worse without them.
How's that for then and now?
If the Patriots are the only game on, and it seems like they're always on here, I'll watch figure
skating.
Hahahahahaha. Right.
My favorite part is when it's over. People down here like it though. Watch it in bars like it was football or Nascar or something.
Craziest thing I've ever seen.
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