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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Stanley Kurtz, author of the book "Radical in Chief" sits down for a 37 minute discussion on Obama's socialist connections.

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:01 pm

Dr. Paul Kengor, author of "The Communist" speaks about his book and Frank Marshal Davis and his connection with Obama. The book details Frank Marshal Davis' connection to the Communist Party USA

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In these two videos, Kengor interviews Dr. John Drew, an Obama friend while at Occidental college, tells how Obama was full bore Marxist revolutionist.

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:19 pm

Just talk. Sounds like he said she said.

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:55 pm

Alice Palmer, Illinois State representative, hand picked Obama to take the seat she was vacating in 1996(13th district) is a known communist. She later changed her mind and decided to run again for the 13th district seat. Obama later stabbed her in the back having her and everyone else removed from the primary ballot on a cursive vs printed signature scam. Palmer was in awe of the former Soviet Union and their communist socialist system of government.

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  • Former Democratic state senator in Illinois
  • Former member of the U.S. Peace Council, a communist front group
  • Strong supporter of the Soviet Union during the Cold War
  • Former friend and political ally of Barack Obama



Born in Indianapolis in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Alice J. Palmer earned a bachelor's degree from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in 1965, followed by a master's degree from Roosevelt University and a Ph.D. from Northwestern University. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Palmer co-authored two books, tutored in the campus's Black House, and ultimately served five years as associate dean and director of African American Student Affairs. Next, she [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as the national voter-education director for a citizen-action group before becoming the founding director of the Metro YMCA Youth and Government Program in 1986. Palmer also [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] a stint as executive director of Chicago Cities in Schools.

By the end of the 1970s, Palmer's affinity for socialism was becoming apparent. In 1980, the Maurice Bishop-led government of Grenada [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Palmer to attend celebrations commemorating the first anniversary of that Caribbean nation's Cuban/Soviet-backed revolution.

Also in the eighties, Palmer served as an [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], an affiliate of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], which was an international Soviet front. Palmer participated in the World Peace Council’s Prague assembly in 1983 -- just as the USSR was launching its “nuclear freeze” movement, a scheme that would have frozen Soviet nuclear and military superiority in place. Further, she worked for the Black Press Institute and was editor of the Black Press Review.

In June 1986, the Black Press Institute contributed an [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], “An Afro-American Journalist on the USSR,” to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]’s newspaper, People’s Daily World. The piece detailed how Palmer had recently attended the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and had been greatly impressed by the Soviet system. Palmer was quoted as having made the following statements:


  • “The Soviet plan to provide people with higher wages and better education, health and transportation, while we in our country are hearing that cutbacks are necessary in all of these areas. I think that is a profound contrast.”
  • “We Americans can be misled by the major media. We’re being told the Soviets are striving to achieve a comparatively low standard of living compared with ours, but actually they have reached a basic stability in meeting their needs and are now planning to double their production.”
  • “The key to their [Soviet] system is the focus on groups, not individuals. They say it is the people together -- not leading, privileged individuals -- who make the nation happen.”
  • Palmer lauded Soviet “central planning” for its efficiency, and for having inspired "the confidence and enthusiasm of its workers."
  • Palmer said that the American media “has tended to ignore or distort the gains that have been made [by the Soviets] since [the Russian Revolution of 1917]. But in fact the Soviets are carrying out a policy to resolve the inequalities between nationalities, inequalities that they say were inherited from capitalist and czarist rule.”
  • Palmer marveled that all Russian citizens were guaranteed employment to match their training and skills, as well as free education, affordable housing, and free medical care. Because all industries were planned by a central national authority, she explained, desirable jobs in all vital industries were available throughout the country.
  • Palmer said that because Soviet school curricula were likewise established at the national level, “there is no second-class ‘track’ system in the minority-nationality schools as there is in the inferior inner city schools in my hometown, Chicago, and elsewhere in the United States.”

On June 6, 1991, Palmer, a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], replaced state senator Richard Newhouse as the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for Illinois' 13th Legislative District, a post she would hold until January 1997.


In the mid-1990s, state senator Palmer attended a number of political meetings at the Chicago-area home of her friends and ideological allies, former [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] terrorists [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and his wife [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. At those gatherings, Palmer developed a friendly relationship with another attendee, a young aspiring politician named [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

As late as 1994, Palmer was known to be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with members of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] splinter group.

In 1995, Palmer decided to pursue an opportunity to run for a higher political office when Mel Reynolds, the congressman from Illinois’ 2nd District, resigned from the House of Representatives amid scandal.

As Palmer prepared to leave the state senate, she hand-picked Barack Obama as the person she most wanted to fill her newly vacated senate seat. Toward that end, she [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Obama to party elders and donors as her preferred successor, and helped him gather the signatures required for getting his name placed on the ballot.

But in November 1995, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] defeated Palmer in a special election for Reynolds’ empty congressional seat. At that point, Palmer filed to retain the Democratic nomination for the state senate seat she had encouraged Obama to pursue; that seat would be up for grabs in the November 1996 elections. She asked Obama to politely withdraw from the race and offered to help him find an alternative position elsewhere.

But Obama refused to withdraw, so Palmer resolved to run against him (and against two other opponents who also had declared their candidacy) in the 1996 Democratic primary. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], Palmer hastily gathered the minimum number of signatures required. Obama promptly challenged the legitimacy of those signatures and charged Palmer with fraud. A subsequent investigation found that a number of the names on Palmer’s signature list were technically invalid, thus she was [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. (Names could be eliminated from a candidate's petition for a variety of reasons. For example, if a name was printed rather than written in cursive script, it was considered invalid. Or if the person collecting the signatures was not registered to perform that task, any signatures that he or she had collected likewise were nullified.)

Obama also successfully challenged the signatures gathered by his other two opponents, and both of them were disqualified as well. As a result, Obama ran unopposed in the Democratic primary and won by default.

“I liked Alice Palmer a lot,” [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. “I thought she was a good public servant. It [the process by which Obama got Palmer's name removed from the ballot] was very awkward. That part of it I wish had played out entirely differently.”

After leaving public office, Palmer was [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as an associate professor by the University of Illinois' College of Urban Planning and Public Affairs. She held that post from 1996 to 2003, when she retired.

In 2008 Palmer endorsed [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for U.S. President. In 2011, she [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Danny Davis in his run for mayor of Chicago against former Obama aide [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:30 pm

Well if she endorsed Hillary doesn't that sound like she was against Obama? Also sounds like Obama did right by challenging the signatures. If any was discounted then he was correct. Even when collecting signatures, there are laws and regulations and the apply to everyone. BTW, it is extremely common for signatures to be discounted. And accused her of fraud? Well this is Chicago

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:08 pm

More on Alice Palmer and her love for communism. Her connection with Communist Party USA, and Obama.

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:12 pm

The way she and Obama have treated each other, I call that some really tough love. Sounds like Obama with stuff her butt under the bus in a heartbeat. BTW, I have no use for the douche bag.

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Post by Guest Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:16 pm

The doesn't follow this thread, but I sometimes wonder if Romney was among those 'Birmingham Frats' That we would go and slap around on Friday and Saturday nights when I was a teenager?

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:39 am

Snooker, you're beginning to sound like Joseph McCarthy back in the 50s. In case you haven't noticed communism is dead and or dying everyplace it has been tried. All of the major places it was tried failed, and became party dictatorships. It is struggling with its last vestiges in Cuba as long as the Castros hang on. Its not anything resembling communism in China anymore, just a party dictatorship running a capitalist economy. Every country and hamlet in the world practices some form of socialism because we as humans are social animals and know our safety and welfare are tied to the safety and welfare of the social group. We even wrote it into our constitution, in two places, in the beginning. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We the People of
the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish
Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
for the United States of America. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then again in Section #8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts
and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and
general Welfare of the United States;
but all Duties, Imposts and
Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The common Welfare seems to have been very important to the founding fathers and still is. Yet they used a very broad term as General welfare so as not to restrict and hem in future generations of Americans. We, through our representatives, are left to determine what constitutes our general welfare. In that manner we have decided Social Security, Medicare, a safety net for the poor, the affordable care act, unemployment, workers compensation, are among the items we find indispensable to our general welfare. The framers also gave the future generations the leeway to decide who and how that general welfare was to be paid for, just like our defense for our safety.

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:00 am

Snooker, you're beginning to sound like Joseph McCarthy back in the 50s. In case you haven't noticed communism is dead and or dying everyplace it has been tried. All of the major places it was tried failed, and became party dictatorships. It is struggling with its last vestiges in Cuba as long as the Castros hang on.

Exactly RL............Yet people like Alice Palmer and crew still yearn for a failing form of government even as the Soviet Union was crumbling before her eyes in the mid 1980's. She marvels (Like most Marxists) At state run industry, State run health care, state run education, State held property. She dispises (like most Marxists) capitalism and the individual soveriegnty. That is in exact opposition to everything this country stands for. Why does Obama attach himself, surround himself and appoint people with this type of ideology? You know the answer, you yourself said, "Be careful who you travel with". Obama not only travels with, but appoints marxist/communist/socialists. If that's your cup of tea, vote Obama.

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:35 am

This conservative/liberal two-step isn't something new, its been going on a long time. I suppose it'll continue as long as there is a shekel to argue over. However let me quote a prominent Republican of 150 years ago. he was the G' son of our 2nd pres, and the son of our 6th pres. He was appointed to the post of Minister to the Court of St James, in today's terms, the Ambassador to UK in London by our first Republican President A Lincoln. His name? Charles Francis Adams, he was writing to his son Charles who was in the union army. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“The rich are growing
richer, and conservatism gains rather than loses in its struggles for
power….”–Adams Family Letters, Charles Francis Adams, U.S. Minister to
the U.K., to his son, Charles.



September 19, 2012
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London, September 19, 1862

England is at peace, and in spite of the drawback occasioned by the
failure of the cotton crop is prosperous. During the last twenty years
the great development of the manufacturing policy has poured vast sums
into her lap, whilst the outlets furnished to her poor populations in
the colonies and in America have prevented the growth of any discontent
at the unequal distribution of that wealth. In all my different journeys
through the interior I find every evidence of substantial thrift. No
dilapidated houses, or neglected lands or broken windows or ruinous
barns. Even the oldest dwellings seem cared for and elaborately put in
order. The question naturally arises are there no very poor people? It
must be answered, not in the agricultural districts, but you must look
for them in the populous towns. Go through many parts of London and you
will be at no loss to understand where they are. And so it will be in
the great manufacturing centres in Lancashire and Yorkshire. Thus it
appears as if England showed two distinct faces — one of happiness and
one of misery, the first owing to the last. For however great may be the
prosperity of the manufacturer, it appears to be resting only upon the
extent to which the share in it of his operative can be reduced to a
minimum. Were it not for the resource of emigration I doubt whether this
condition of things could last long. As it is, I see no prospect of any
change. The rich are growing richer, and conservatism gains rather than
loses in its struggles for power….

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:23 am

Snook, that is why I have stuffed that wench under the bus.

RL, this good[both posts]. Last semester I had a pre 1877 American history class and am now in the proccess of writing a 25 page essay on the Scots-Irish influence on American culture in My Appalachian History class. [you would like that class]. If you get the opportunity, locate a book called 'Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish shaped America by Jemes Webb'.

To the English royalty, we were a wayward child. The early colonial days were mostly funded as a money grab by English elite. To the commoners, The Revolutionary War was no different to them than Viet Nam was to us. Remember "Hell no, we won't go."? Well England had the same problem mothers sending their sons to die. And protests. And just like Viet Nam, we did not have to win, but just make them get tired of being there. We did not lose Viet Nam. The British did not lose the Revolutionary War. But the results are exactly the same. We wound up free of the British.

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:28 pm

This conservative/liberal two-step isn't something new, its been going on a long time. I suppose it'll continue as long as there is a shekel to argue over. However let me quote a prominent Republican of 150 years ago. he was the G' son of our 2nd pres, and the son of our 6th pres. He was appointed to the post of Minister to the Court of St James, in today's terms, the Ambassador to UK in London by our first Republican President A Lincoln. His name? Charles Francis Adams, he was writing to his son Charles who was in the union army. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“The rich are growing
richer, and conservatism gains rather than loses in its struggles for
power….”–Adams Family Letters, Charles Francis Adams, U.S. Minister to


So tell me RL............ what did Charles Frances Adams think about Karl Marx and his ideology? Did he think it was anything like his grandfather's (founding father John Adams) Ideology? I think not.
Charles Francis Adams 1807-1886,
Karl Marx 1818- 1883


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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:36 pm

Snooker, I have not studied Marx or Marxism enough to be able to address the subject. I also have not read everything Charles Francis Adams wrote about him either. Just some letters he and his two sons exchanged with each other during the Civil war up to this time in 1862. I'm reading several ongoing Blogs and diaries of the civil war time frame, and getting a hell of a lot better education than I did in school about our history during that period. If I runa cross anything about how any of the Adam's family addresses Marx I will post it here.

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:14 pm

Why would Obama choose this man to be Green Czar. Van Jones was a know radical, and self described "Communist". The guy wants to start a revolution. The sad thing is, Obama embraces the man. Just another traveling companion of Barrack Obama.

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Post by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:09 pm

I did a little research on the alleged group that had the petition that he allegedly signed. I don't know the real facts on that. What really seemed strange was an article I found saying that 90% of them votes conservative Republican. Sound weird???

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Post by Guest Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:49 am

Van Jones is exposed for what he is, a radical revolutionary, Communist /Marxist and resigns just before a congressional hearing was being scheduled to investigate exactly how he was screened for the appointment, yet Obama keeps him on his Whitehouse staff? Why?

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Post by Guest Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:55 am

Politico.com definetely has a Rebubilcan spin. They admit it but say only slightly so. But at least they do admit it. But that also removes them from the unbiased category. They have several that were well connected to Reagan. But that is not illegal. People tend to follow news that tilts there way. I am far more apt to read a Corvette article as opposed to a Porsche article. Now if Van Jones was a turd, he needed to be gone. I also remember when Clinton first took office and notice the people that he brought with him. My first thought was "What is this?". You have the whole country to choose from. The best people aren't just that you know. In the end, though, many of the first hires were soon gone.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:57 pm

How can all of this evidence be overlooked, or explained away? Two of Obama's top advisors David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett, have ties to the Communist party USA.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:52 pm

I was just thinking of the Communist link together with the Republican link. They just don't seem to go hand in hand. Is somebody rattling our cage? ????

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Post by meiden Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:30 pm

CorvetteDan wrote:Politico.com definetely has a Rebubilcan spin. They admit it but say only slightly so. But at least they do admit it. But that also removes them from the unbiased category. They have several that were well connected to Reagan. But that is not illegal. People tend to follow news that tilts there way. I am far more apt to read a Corvette article as opposed to a Porsche article. Now if Van Jones was a turd, he needed to be gone. I also remember when Clinton first took office and notice the people that he brought with him. My first thought was "What is this?". You have the whole country to choose from. The best people aren't just that you know. In the end, though, many of the first hires were soon gone.

It's just wrong to think Politico has a right slant. They are one of the primary contributors to MSNBC who wouldn't allow anyone with a real right slant.

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:32 pm

I can only go by where some of their people came from. Now it may not mean anything. But, Politoco is also a very profitable venture. I think the year the Obama election, [year after an election is usually an off period for that kind of journalism] they made something like $16-17 million. Now it just may be me, but I feel like most of what I have been seeing on MSNBC felt a little to the right sometimes. I know this might seem like something out of a fairy tale, but my choice would be for the left and right to approach each other and meet exactly in the middle. I know I might seem to be on the left sometimes but that is only an assumption. What I see alot of is people trying to color the facts to fit their own desire. They see an incident and they jump on it with "Oh boy. Heres my chance" . A good example would be that Syria incident. The press blows it out there with 1. Why weren't we told. or 2. Why didn't they get help. That makes for good press. Sells a lot of headlines. Now if your ar in the loop looking out, well, 1. You are also getting rumors and speculations. 2. You are getting information. You have to separate fact from fiction. 3. What should we do now, and will that hurt someone. 4. Usually you will learn more by shutting your mouth and paying attention. Now the reality here is that we probably no the real story for 30 years. And quit thinking, because nobody here really knows. I don't care if we pull out a stack of documents as tall as the Washington Monument, we do not know.

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