Like the GM

bowlerman422 wrote:I amk beginning to like GM Maccagnan. He has done more to help the Jets in the few weeks that he has been here than Idzik did in his two years that he was here. Idzik had 12 draft picks last year. He got one player out of it. I can't wait until April 30th. I really expect some good players this year  out of the draft.
Idzik got rid of all the CB that were any good. The new GM is meeting with as many CBB's as possible. I am looking foward to him signing some good ones this year when free agency beginsm this coming Tues.
For the first time in a long time I am proud to be a Jets fan.



                                                                            

bowlerman422 wrote:I don't care. The man has upgraded the Jets big time. He upgraded the WR with the Marshall trade. Gave away nothing for him. Got two CB in free agency. He might get another in Cromartie. He upgarded the QB with the Fitzpatrick trade. Also gave away nothing. For a fifth and seventh pick he got someone to throw the ball and someone to catch it.
If Ryan would have had a GM like him. Ryan would have been in playoffs instead of having a 4 win season. Imagine what Ryan would done with only one CB. Instead of the nobodies he had.
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wassejet wrote:

bowlerman422 wrote:I don't care. The man has upgraded the Jets big time. He upgraded the WR with the Marshall trade. Gave away nothing for him. Got two CB in free agency. He might get another in Cromartie. He upgarded the QB with the Fitzpatrick trade. Also gave away nothing. For a fifth and seventh pick he got someone to throw the ball and someone to catch it.
If Ryan would have had a GM like him. Ryan would have been in playoffs instead of having a 4 win season. Imagine what Ryan would done with only one CB. Instead of the nobodies he had.
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This team is not going anywhere unless there is a significant upgrade at QB. I don't see Fitzpatrick as a significant upgrade. Ryan shot himself in the foot by starting Geno instead of Vick. Had Vick been the starter, Jets may have gotten into the playoffs, certainly winning more than 4 games.

rdariusxxxx wrote:I disagree. Vick was not ever the answer. He was never that good of a QB, IMHO, and certainly he is less now than he was before. He didn't do particularly better than Geno, has a career 56% completion rate (it was 52.9% last year), and is well past his prime. I agree Fitzpatrick is nothing to write home about either, but he's had some good years with Gailey and really only needs to manage the game. That's not really Vick's style, so while Fitz isn't anything special, he may be a better fit. Of course, being able to manage a game doesn't mean that much in itself, if you don't have the other parts you needs to make those units special. Our CB's last year were horrible, among the worst in the league. Bowles has a similar style defense. The system requires CB's that can cover in isolation. Our CB's last year couldn't cover an 8 year old. I think getting the best CB in the game to come back is well worth the money he commands. We all know what he can do.

guppy wrote:I don't begrudge Revis the money at all.  He did what is best for him......just like NFL owners do, so good for him on that score.  He now gets $1 Million per game basically.  Pretty good work if you can get it.  It was a pleasure to watch shut down half a field for a year.  A true difference maker.  The Patriots got what they wanted from him.  And he got what he wanted from the Patriots.  So it was a mutual win-win, and I can't be upset with either side.  Of course I would have liked to see the party last longer, but c'est la vie.   Good luck, except twice per year.    

wassejet wrote:

guppy wrote:I don't begrudge Revis the money at all.  He did what is best for him......just like NFL owners do, so good for him on that score.  He now gets $1 Million per game basically.  Pretty good work if you can get it.  It was a pleasure to watch shut down half a field for a year.  A true difference maker.  The Patriots got what they wanted from him.  And he got what he wanted from the Patriots.  So it was a mutual win-win, and I can't be upset with either side.  Of course I would have liked to see the party last longer, but c'est la vie.   Good luck, except twice per year.    

I'm glad he's no longer with the Pats because that's bad for us. Like you, I don't begrudge him getting all he can. No question he is the among the top three CB's in the league and should be paid accordingly. Getting consistent pressure on the QB is the most effective weapon against a good passing offense. Realizing I'm probably in a tiny minority, I think the Jets weren't smart investing that much money in a cornerback no matter how good he is.

guppy wrote:
Whether the investment in an elite cornerback is a smart one or not remains to be seen over the course of a whole season.  But, like I said, it was an awful lot of fun watching him shut down the other teams' top receivers for one year.  In that murders' row stretch in the middle of the season, the Pats beat the passing attacks of Cutler, P. Manning, Luck, Stafford, Rivers, and barely lost a close one to A. Rodgers (Jordy Nelson had a big catch for a TD on Revis in that one).  Revis was a huge part of that successful stretch.  Then in the playoffs, beating Flacco, Luck and Wilson, a lot of credit goes to Revis.  In the superbowl, Doug Baldwin for Seattle had only one catch for three yards and a TD the entire game, and the one catch he did have was because Revis got picked off in the end zone by the ref.  When Baldwin came back to the sideline, Jermaine Kerse said to him, "How'd you get so open?"  Baldwin shouted back, "Because I'm a BEAST, that's why."   I guess if you make one catch for 3 yards on Revis the entire game, that makes you a "beast", and entitles you to do an endzone celebration where pretend like you're taking a dump and the football comes out of your ass.  NBC cut away from that very quickly and did not show it.  Baldwin did get 15 yards for unsportsmanlike which was enforced on the kickoff.  Just shows how much Revis frustrated him.  LOL.

guppy wrote:
......I'm thinking Belichick is going to change the identity of the defense for next year from one to relying on an elite secondary, to one where the emphasis is on pressuring the QB and the front seven - like Baltimore.....  

wassejet wrote:

rdariusxxxx wrote:I disagree. Vick was not ever the answer. He was never that good of a QB, IMHO, and certainly he is less now than he was before. He didn't do particularly better than Geno, has a career 56% completion rate (it was 52.9% last year), and is well past his prime. I agree Fitzpatrick is nothing to write home about either, but he's had some good years with Gailey and really only needs to manage the game. That's not really Vick's style, so while Fitz isn't anything special, he may be a better fit. Of course, being able to manage a game doesn't mean that much in itself, if you don't have the other parts you needs to make those units special. Our CB's last year were horrible, among the worst in the league. Bowles has a similar style defense. The system requires CB's that can cover in isolation. Our CB's last year couldn't cover an 8 year old. I think getting the best CB in the game to come back is well worth the money he commands. We all know what he can do.

The Jets have a top ten defense, therefore all that was required of the QB position last season was to put up some points and not constantly turn the ball over. Michael Vick was a three time pro bowler, appeared in one super bowl and had a lifetime winning record. Are you seriously saying that Smith was the better choice between the two? In the Steeler game Vick put up some quick points which caused them to have to play catchup and that allowed the Jet D to play up to their capabilities. That should have been the pattern for the entire year. Instead we got constant giveaways causing the Jets to continually have to play from behind. Being able to manage a game does mean a lot, because we've seen what happens when a game is badly managed. Jets finished the season with the 6th ranked run defense, the 14th ranked pass defense and 6th overall. When you say the CB's were the worst in the league, the stats don't back you up. I'm not saying they were were good, but they were nowhere near the worst.


When you say Bowles' defense requires CB's to cover in isolation that makes me very nervous because you can count on one hand the number of CB's in the league who can do that. Yes, Revis is one of those, no doubt. However, I'd take a 15-20 sack pass rusher in a heartbeat over Revis. A good pass rusher makes all four DB's better not just one. 

rdariusxxxx wrote:....All I was saying was that Vick was not a good option either. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, and no one would claim he's a great QB, so just going to one doesn't make one a good QB. Vick also has had fumble problems in his career (55 of them), so it's not just INT's. He has more giveaways than TD's in his career (146 to 131). And he is past his prime....