Mikey Likes It

by RingoCStarrQB Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:13 pm

Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

From Packersnews.com:

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy didn’t hesitate when recently asked if he thinks his 2014 team will be better than last year.
“I would say so, yes,” McCarthy replied. “On paper.”
The signing of free agent Julius Peppers should give the defense a significant boost, and next month’s draft will produce an influx of young talent. Meanwhile, some Packers free agents departed and others decided to return.
While the process of retooling the roster will continue in the coming months, here’s a position-by-position assessment, for better or worse, on where the Packers stand three months after their 2013 season ended with an NFC wild-card playoff loss to San Francisco.

Quarterback
Aaron Rodgers’ broken collarbone is a thing of the past and his expected healthy return to the top of the NFL quarterback food chain will once again make the Packers a dangerous team. Backup Scott Tolzien will enroll in Packers quarterback school and get a thorough grasp of the offense. The only unfinished business is to re-sign free agent Matt Flynn, which would provide a much-needed security blanket.
2014 projection (compared to last year): Better

Running back
It’s been a long time since the Packers were as talented and deep in the backfield. Eddie Lacy and James Starks, who re-signed last month, form a solid one-two punch. But the Packers could go four-deep at halfback if DuJuan Harris and Johnathan Franklin recover from injuries. Throw in the veteran savvy of fullback John EFFEN Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhn, who re-signed for a bargain price of around $1 million, and the Packers seem poised to hit the ground running.
Projection: Better

Wide receiver
As it stands, the Packers are one injury away from using Myles White, who has nine career receptions, as their No. 3 receiver. That is to say they are perilously thin at an important position after losing James Jones in free agency. Randall Cobb should be 100 percent after breaking his leg last season and along with Jordy Nelson will provide Rodgers with lethal weapons. But Jarrett Boykin must prove he can capably fill the No. 3 spot. Can there be any doubt the Packers will draft a receiver relatively high?
Projection: Worse

Tight end
If Jermichael Finley gets medical clearance from his neck injury and re-signs with the Packers — two huge ifs — things will be fine. If not, there are serious concerns about whether Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor and Jake Stoneburner can adequately fill the void. Without Finley, this is another position in need of a talent infusion via the draft.
Projection: Worse

Offensive line
The Packers will start their fourth different center in the past four seasons. From Scott Wells to Jeff Saturday to Evan Dietrich-Smith to an unknown 2014 starter, the revolving door continues to spin much too quickly at a critical position. The Packers might have more than a one-year stopgap in JC Tretter, but that’s putting a lot of pressure on a player with virtually no NFL experience. Assuming left tackle David Bakhtiari continues to improve, Bryan Bulaga returns to full effectiveness at right tackle and guards Josh Sitton and T.J. Lang hold their own, the Packers still are left with a giant question mark at center.
Projection: Worse

Defensive line
In his multi-dimensional elephant role, Peppers can play at defensive end, tackle or outside linebacker. The obvious implication is the Packers will generate more pass rush with Peppers, no matter where he lines up. Moving the recently re-signed B.J. Raji back to his natural nose tackle position is a plus, and the signing of free agent Letroy Guion, formerly of Minnesota, provides another big body to the mix. Mike Daniels has the makings of a difference-maker assuming he continues his rapid rise. Datone Jones and Josh Boyd have potential and should improve in Year 2 of their development. It’s possible unsigned veterans Ryan Pickett and Johnny Jolly won’t be back.
Projection: Better

Linebacker
Clay Matthews missed six games last season, including the playoffs, with a broken thumb. There is no reason to think he won’t return to 100 percent effectiveness. But can he stay healthy for a full season, something that didn’t happen the past two years? With either Peppers, an improving Mike Neal or an unproven Nick Perry manning the outside linebacker position opposite Matthews, there is reason for optimism. The Packers must improve at inside linebacker and it’s uncertain whether A.J. Hawk and Brad Jones are up to the task.
Projection: Better

Cornerback
Sam Shields struck it rich with his recently signed contract and can cover in a pass-happy league, and so can fellow starter Tramon Williams. There are capable reinforcements behind them. The biggest boost would come if Casey Hayward recovers from a lost season marred by a hamstring injury and returns to his 2012 rookie form. Micah Hyde is a solid option in the nickel or dime role but probably will land at safety. The Packers could do worse than Davon House as a No. 4 or No. 5 corner.
Projection: Better

Safety
How can the Packers do worse than M.D. Jennings or Jerron McMillian? Neither player was publicly criticized by the team last year. Instead, the Packers let their actions speak when Jennings was essentially shown the door in restricted free agency and McMillian was cut in midseason. Hyde would be an obvious upgrade, and general manager Ted Thompson is expected to add more competition via the draft, something he inexplicably didn’t do a year ago. Morgan Burnett didn’t play up to expectations after signing a new contract last summer and has something to prove. He should improve simply by having a better safety running mate.
Projection: Better

Special teams
The Packers’ injury plague up and down the roster last season led to inconsistent, if not shaky, special teams performances. Maybe the law of EFFEN injury averages will favor the Packers. If not, maybe new assistant Ron Zook, a long-time veteran, will light a fire.
Projection: Better

by milani Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:54 pm

The position Packer fans polled agree to draft first is safety. We cannot get much worse as you stated.

by RingoCStarrQB Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:41 pm

milani wrote:The position Packer fans polled agree to draft first is safety. We cannot get much worse as you stated.

No kidding............Safety. Then what position.........offensive line again? wide receiver again? tight end again? inside LB again? Whoops...........there it is!!

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:31 am

Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:33 pm

duck wrote:Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

I think Milani is probably in over his head trying to get Joanna's shrink-wrapped toe clear of her inhaled spandex prancerpants... Laughing

As for me--if I ran the team, I would certainly make a number of changes to optimize and broaden the Albino's model...interestingy, not unlike what John Schneider has done in Seattle. You'll notice in interviews he often overcompensates by stressing that *no avenue of talent acquisition is de-emphasized* in his model. Why is that? Undoubtedly because of the frustration he often encountered in seeing opportunity as the Pack's Director of Player Personnel--and having the conservative albino shoot it down.

Fundamentally--TT has it right; build through the draft. You have to do it to build the core of a team within the confines of the salary cap in order to be consistently successful. You need those rookie contacts carrying your water to the crops. Where he fails--as we've discussed before, is in his general aversion to taking on risk and putting into his field of play the adornments necessary to take something generally good--and make it awesome. The tricks in his bag are far too limited. What he starts out with there is a really solid angel food cake--but he generally fails to identify how much better it could be if he only adorned it with a nice--not too sweet--cream cheese frosting and a couple of well placed cherries on top. That's a flaw in his model--and a big one... You get your tool all ramped up to cut glass over Central Division titles at 8-7-1. I see a team since the Superbowl in '10 that has UNDERPERFORMED--routinely missing opportunities in the executive suite, on the sidelines and on the field. The examples are plentiful--but let's just take John Kuhn, since he just happily re-signed for one year at $1M. Tell me--who missed the opportunity the last TWO FUCKING YEARS to drop Kuhn from $2.4-$2.6M down to where he is now as the market/game changed relative to the FB role? That's $3M that could have been spent on other needed pieces to adorn the cake. Tramon Williams is another one--making between $8.5M-$9.75M in each of the past few seasons--WAY beyond what he has produced on the field. Sound familiar? Two years ago we were discussing this. Never even APPROACHED about a pay cut. His market value if released would be something significantly south of HALF of that--yet where is the GM actively managing the CAP maximizing asset value? What other player/players could have been secured in free agency with a net cost of ZERO with that extra $5M/year being pissed away into Tramon's pockets that could have made a material difference to the Pack's fortunes?

You see Duck--I don't expect you to identify a lot of this stuff...but there's a big difference between what you like to characterize in your ongoing *Cheers barstool narrative* and many of the observations that are produced here...but you obviously don't know why--so let me help. These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity. Why is Morgan Burnett still being rewarded like the stud Prince after two seasons of demonstrating NOTHING in the way of the upside they anticipated when they gave him the $$$$ they did? Wasted opportunity. If he balks/walks--who the fuck cares? At that level of play--how many opportunities have there been in free agency to upgrade that horrifically bad Safety position...speaking of which--who pointed out immediately upon Woodson's release that it was a mistake--the other's weren't ready and done one year too soon? Who pointed out that a reneg of his pay was the astute approach instead? What about the O line? Who was banging the table because they were content to roll the season with the winner of the Marshall Newhouse/Don Barclay sweepstakes at RT? Year after year--no continuity. Why? We drafted 'em--so we'll pound 'em in there and hope for the best. And when they fail? Now they're handing the starting Center job to a player WHO HAS NEVER TAKEN AN NFL SNAP with DON FUCKING BARCLAY as the fall-back plan. That's right--at CENTER where all the line calls are made and through the wall to the most direct route to the QB. How can you ask someone to consistently make the right line shifts based on seeing things they've never seen before? Sounds good to you though, right Duck? Make a couple passes with a wet wipe when he shits the bed, throw on a new diaper and usher his ass right back on out there with a *go-get 'em, Tiger all loaded up. He's only protecting the $125M man. They won the Central last year after all... Who could have their dick more tickled?

Finally Duck--you often seem to try to get me to say it--as GM, could I run that team better than a B player like TT? LOL. I have to forgive you, Duck, and remember--you're operating with limited insight. Laughing

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:35 pm

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

I think Milani is probably in over his head trying to get Joanna's shrink-wrapped toe clear of her inhaled spandex prancerpants...

As for me--if I ran the team, I would certainly make a number of changes to optimize and broaden the Albino's model...interestingy, not unlike what John Schneider has done in Seattle. You'll notice in interviews he often overcompensates by stressing that *no avenue of talent acquisition is de-emphasized* in his model. Why is that? Undoubtedly because of the frustration he often encountered in seeing opportunity as the Pack's Director of Player Personnel--and having the conservative albino shoot it down.

Fundamentally--TT has it right; build through the draft. You have to do it to build the core of a team within the confines of the salary cap in order to be consistently successful. Where he fails--as we've discussed before, is in his general aversion to taking on risk and putting into his field of play the adornments necessary to take something generally good--and make it awesome. The tricks in his bag are far too limited. What he starts out with there is a really solid angel food cake--but he generally fails to identify how much better it could be if he only adorned it with a nice--not too sweet--cream cheese frosting and a couple of well placed cherries on top. That's a flaw in his model--and a big one... You get your tool all ramped up to cut glass over Central Division titles at 8-7-1. I see a team since the Superbowl in '10 that has UNDERPERFORMED--routinely missing opportunities in the executive suite, on the sidelines and on the field. The examples are plentiful--but let's just take John Kuhn, since he just happily re-signed for one year at $1M. Tell me--who missed the opportunity the last TWO FUCKING YEARS to drop Kuhn from $2.4-$2.6M down to where he is now as the market/game changed relative to the FB role? That's $3M that could have been spent on other needed pieces to adorn the cake. Tramon Williams is another one--making between $8.5M-$9.75M in each of the past few seasons--WAY beyond what he has produced on the field. Sound familiar? Two years ago we were discussing this. Never even APPROACHED about a pay cut. His market value if released would be something significantly south of HALF of that--yet where is the GM actively managing the CAP maximizing asset value? What other player/players could have been secured in free agency with a net cost of ZERO with that extra $5M/year being pissed away into Tramon's pockets that could have made a material difference to the Pack's fortunes?

You see Duck--I don't expect you to identify a lot of this stuff...but there's a big difference between what you like to characterize in your ongoing *Cheers barstool narrative* and many of the observations that are produced here...but you obviously don't know why--so let me help. These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity. Why is Morgan Burnett still being rewarded like the stud Prince after two seasons of demonstrating NOTHING in the way of the upside they anticipated when they gave him the $$$$ they did? Wasted opportunity. If he balks/walks--who the fuck cares?  At that level of play--how many opportunities have there been in free agency to upgrade that horrifically bad Safety position...speaking of which--who pointed out immediately upon Woodson's release that it was a mistake--the other's weren't ready and done one year too soon? Who pointed out that a reneg of his pay was the astute approach instead? What about the O line? Who was banging the table because they were content to roll the season with the winner of the Marshall Newhouse/Don Barclay sweepstakes at RT? Year after year--no continuity. Why? We drafted 'em--so we'll pound 'em in there and hope for the best. Now they're handing the starting Center job to a player WHO HAS NEVER TAKEN AN NFL SNAP with DON FUCKING BARCLAY as the fall-back plan. That's right--at CENTER where all the line calls are made and through the wall to the most direct route to the QB. How can you ask someone to consistently make the right line shifts based on seeing things they've never seen before? Sounds good to you though, right Duck? Make a couple passes with a wet wipe when he shits the bed, throw on a new diaper and usher his ass right back on out there with a *go-get 'em, Tiger all loaded up. He's only protecting the $125M man. They won the Central last year after all... Who could have their dick more tickled?

Finally Duck--you often seem to try to get me to say it--as GM, could I run that team better than a B player like TT? LOL. I have to forgive you, Duck, and remember--you're operating with limited insight.

Here's the problem with your rant, HD: it's like ragging on Rodgers for the interceptions he throws. Does Thompson occasionally miss opportunities and/or gamble wrong in his salary allocations in managing the cap? Well sure... so does everyone.

You complain: "These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity." Yet 30 other fan bases could bitch about their general manager for the same thing.

It's easy for fans to bitch about each and every micro-decision a GM makes (or doesn't make). We didn't sign Lynch. We didn't sign Moss. We routinely let all these fantastic free agents get away from us. Our #1 draft pick got injured and is a bust. Yadda yadda yadda. What we fans DON'T see is all the back room discussions and insider knowledge about various players. Maybe most teams passed on Lynch and Moss because they were regarded as cancerous. We fans are unhappy that we have some weak links on our team... but we don't understand the balancing act that every GM has to do to manage the cap. The truth of the matter is that EVERY NFL team has some rot like Marshall Newhouse on its roster.

For whatever its worth I agree with your assessment that TT's draft and develop philosophy is generally sound but a little more flexibility in player procurement would be optimal. However as soon as we typecast him as being overly rigid, he goes out and makes a blockbuster deal to sign Julius Peppers.

I like Ted Thompson and I like Mike McCarthy. We have an excellent GM and an excellent head coach. Even better, the synergy between them is good. The program is sound... one of the best and most stable in the NFL. I think the Packers' chances of picking up another Lombardi or two in the next few years are as good with this program as just about any other program in the NFL.

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:42 pm

duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

I think Milani is probably in over his head trying to get Joanna's shrink-wrapped toe clear of her inhaled spandex prancerpants...

As for me--if I ran the team, I would certainly make a number of changes to optimize and broaden the Albino's model...interestingy, not unlike what John Schneider has done in Seattle. You'll notice in interviews he often overcompensates by stressing that *no avenue of talent acquisition is de-emphasized* in his model. Why is that? Undoubtedly because of the frustration he often encountered in seeing opportunity as the Pack's Director of Player Personnel--and having the conservative albino shoot it down.

Fundamentally--TT has it right; build through the draft. You have to do it to build the core of a team within the confines of the salary cap in order to be consistently successful. Where he fails--as we've discussed before, is in his general aversion to taking on risk and putting into his field of play the adornments necessary to take something generally good--and make it awesome. The tricks in his bag are far too limited. What he starts out with there is a really solid angel food cake--but he generally fails to identify how much better it could be if he only adorned it with a nice--not too sweet--cream cheese frosting and a couple of well placed cherries on top. That's a flaw in his model--and a big one... You get your tool all ramped up to cut glass over Central Division titles at 8-7-1. I see a team since the Superbowl in '10 that has UNDERPERFORMED--routinely missing opportunities in the executive suite, on the sidelines and on the field. The examples are plentiful--but let's just take John Kuhn, since he just happily re-signed for one year at $1M. Tell me--who missed the opportunity the last TWO FUCKING YEARS to drop Kuhn from $2.4-$2.6M down to where he is now as the market/game changed relative to the FB role? That's $3M that could have been spent on other needed pieces to adorn the cake. Tramon Williams is another one--making between $8.5M-$9.75M in each of the past few seasons--WAY beyond what he has produced on the field. Sound familiar? Two years ago we were discussing this. Never even APPROACHED about a pay cut. His market value if released would be something significantly south of HALF of that--yet where is the GM actively managing the CAP maximizing asset value? What other player/players could have been secured in free agency with a net cost of ZERO with that extra $5M/year being pissed away into Tramon's pockets that could have made a material difference to the Pack's fortunes?

You see Duck--I don't expect you to identify a lot of this stuff...but there's a big difference between what you like to characterize in your ongoing *Cheers barstool narrative* and many of the observations that are produced here...but you obviously don't know why--so let me help. These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity. Why is Morgan Burnett still being rewarded like the stud Prince after two seasons of demonstrating NOTHING in the way of the upside they anticipated when they gave him the $$$$ they did? Wasted opportunity. If he balks/walks--who the fuck cares?  At that level of play--how many opportunities have there been in free agency to upgrade that horrifically bad Safety position...speaking of which--who pointed out immediately upon Woodson's release that it was a mistake--the other's weren't ready and done one year too soon? Who pointed out that a reneg of his pay was the astute approach instead? What about the O line? Who was banging the table because they were content to roll the season with the winner of the Marshall Newhouse/Don Barclay sweepstakes at RT? Year after year--no continuity. Why? We drafted 'em--so we'll pound 'em in there and hope for the best. Now they're handing the starting Center job to a player WHO HAS NEVER TAKEN AN NFL SNAP with DON FUCKING BARCLAY as the fall-back plan. That's right--at CENTER where all the line calls are made and through the wall to the most direct route to the QB. How can you ask someone to consistently make the right line shifts based on seeing things they've never seen before? Sounds good to you though, right Duck? Make a couple passes with a wet wipe when he shits the bed, throw on a new diaper and usher his ass right back on out there with a *go-get 'em, Tiger all loaded up. He's only protecting the $125M man. They won the Central last year after all... Who could have their dick more tickled?

Finally Duck--you often seem to try to get me to say it--as GM, could I run that team better than a B player like TT? LOL. I have to forgive you, Duck, and remember--you're operating with limited insight.

Here's the problem with your rant, HD: it's like ragging on Rodgers for the interceptions he throws. Does Thompson occasionally miss opportunities and/or gamble wrong in his salary allocations in managing the cap? Well sure... so does everyone.

You complain: "These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity." Yet 30 other fan bases could bitch about their general manager for the same thing.

It's easy for fans to bitch about each and every micro-decision a GM makes (or doesn't make). We didn't sign Lynch. We didn't sign Moss. We routinely let all these fantastic free agents get away from us. Our #1 draft pick got injured and is a bust. Yadda yadda yadda. What we fans DON'T see is all the back room discussions and insider knowledge about various players. Maybe most teams passed on Lynch and Moss because they were regarded as cancerous.

Right on. Like that's the point I'm making. Idiots. Did Belichick consider Randy as cancerous when partially because of him the team went undefeated? Does Pete Carroll rue the day that Schneider brought in that cancerous fuck, Marshawn Lynch--whose back they rode to the Lombardi last year? Those were two easy calls to make at the time with any ability to assess talent and foresight at all... Difference makers--both of them...acquired by their respective teams for next to nothing. Massive upside gain...very little downside risk. They BOTH should have been Packers as both Favre and Rodgers will attest...

We fans are unhappy that we have some weak links on our team... but we don't understand the balancing act that every GM has to do to manage the cap. The truth of the matter is that EVERY NFL team has some rot like Marshall Newhouse on its roster.

For whatever its worth I agree with your assessment that TT's draft and develop philosophy is generally sound but a little more flexibility in player procurement would be optimal. However as soon as we typecast him as being overly rigid, he goes out and makes a blockbuster deal to sign Julius Peppers.

Here again--we diverge in our assessments. I like Julius Peppers--always have. You'll recall I was banging the table for TT to score him before the Bears nabbed him...and characterized him as the greatest talent the league has seen since Reggie White. No question in my mind. What the Bears did, when they did it--could rightfully be considered *blockbuster* Now, however...while still very good--Peppers is relegated by age to be little more than an aging beauty queen fighting a battle she cannot win. While a good, solid signing that I'm optimistic over--hardly blockbuster...

I like Ted Thompson and I like Mike McCarthy. We have an excellent GM and an excellent head coach. Even better, the synergy between them is good. The program is sound... one of the best and most stable in the NFL. I think the Packers' chances of picking up another Lombardi or two in the next few years are as good with this program as just about any other program in the NFL.

It's a good program...but again--you're suffering from accolade inflation. Excellence--to me means you are on top of the game. You don't maximize every opportunity and yes--mistakes are sometimes made (but never twice) but beyond that you generally don't leave any scraps on the butcher's table... That's not TT and Fatty has to butcher his way through three steers often before he figures out he's working with a dull fuckin' knife... And...CERTAINLY FAR from the realm you've been arguing for the past season--that they've been so *excellent* that criticism is largely unwarranted...

by milani Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:49 pm

I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:05 pm

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

I think Milani is probably in over his head trying to get Joanna's shrink-wrapped toe clear of her inhaled spandex prancerpants...

As for me--if I ran the team, I would certainly make a number of changes to optimize and broaden the Albino's model...interestingy, not unlike what John Schneider has done in Seattle. You'll notice in interviews he often overcompensates by stressing that *no avenue of talent acquisition is de-emphasized* in his model. Why is that? Undoubtedly because of the frustration he often encountered in seeing opportunity as the Pack's Director of Player Personnel--and having the conservative albino shoot it down.

Fundamentally--TT has it right; build through the draft. You have to do it to build the core of a team within the confines of the salary cap in order to be consistently successful. Where he fails--as we've discussed before, is in his general aversion to taking on risk and putting into his field of play the adornments necessary to take something generally good--and make it awesome. The tricks in his bag are far too limited. What he starts out with there is a really solid angel food cake--but he generally fails to identify how much better it could be if he only adorned it with a nice--not too sweet--cream cheese frosting and a couple of well placed cherries on top. That's a flaw in his model--and a big one... You get your tool all ramped up to cut glass over Central Division titles at 8-7-1. I see a team since the Superbowl in '10 that has UNDERPERFORMED--routinely missing opportunities in the executive suite, on the sidelines and on the field. The examples are plentiful--but let's just take John Kuhn, since he just happily re-signed for one year at $1M. Tell me--who missed the opportunity the last TWO FUCKING YEARS to drop Kuhn from $2.4-$2.6M down to where he is now as the market/game changed relative to the FB role? That's $3M that could have been spent on other needed pieces to adorn the cake. Tramon Williams is another one--making between $8.5M-$9.75M in each of the past few seasons--WAY beyond what he has produced on the field. Sound familiar? Two years ago we were discussing this. Never even APPROACHED about a pay cut. His market value if released would be something significantly south of HALF of that--yet where is the GM actively managing the CAP maximizing asset value? What other player/players could have been secured in free agency with a net cost of ZERO with that extra $5M/year being pissed away into Tramon's pockets that could have made a material difference to the Pack's fortunes?

You see Duck--I don't expect you to identify a lot of this stuff...but there's a big difference between what you like to characterize in your ongoing *Cheers barstool narrative* and many of the observations that are produced here...but you obviously don't know why--so let me help. These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity. Why is Morgan Burnett still being rewarded like the stud Prince after two seasons of demonstrating NOTHING in the way of the upside they anticipated when they gave him the $$$$ they did? Wasted opportunity. If he balks/walks--who the fuck cares?  At that level of play--how many opportunities have there been in free agency to upgrade that horrifically bad Safety position...speaking of which--who pointed out immediately upon Woodson's release that it was a mistake--the other's weren't ready and done one year too soon? Who pointed out that a reneg of his pay was the astute approach instead? What about the O line? Who was banging the table because they were content to roll the season with the winner of the Marshall Newhouse/Don Barclay sweepstakes at RT? Year after year--no continuity. Why? We drafted 'em--so we'll pound 'em in there and hope for the best. Now they're handing the starting Center job to a player WHO HAS NEVER TAKEN AN NFL SNAP with DON FUCKING BARCLAY as the fall-back plan. That's right--at CENTER where all the line calls are made and through the wall to the most direct route to the QB. How can you ask someone to consistently make the right line shifts based on seeing things they've never seen before? Sounds good to you though, right Duck? Make a couple passes with a wet wipe when he shits the bed, throw on a new diaper and usher his ass right back on out there with a *go-get 'em, Tiger all loaded up. He's only protecting the $125M man. They won the Central last year after all... Who could have their dick more tickled?

Finally Duck--you often seem to try to get me to say it--as GM, could I run that team better than a B player like TT? LOL. I have to forgive you, Duck, and remember--you're operating with limited insight.

Here's the problem with your rant, HD: it's like ragging on Rodgers for the interceptions he throws. Does Thompson occasionally miss opportunities and/or gamble wrong in his salary allocations in managing the cap? Well sure... so does everyone.

You complain: "These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity." Yet 30 other fan bases could bitch about their general manager for the same thing.

It's easy for fans to bitch about each and every micro-decision a GM makes (or doesn't make). We didn't sign Lynch. We didn't sign Moss. We routinely let all these fantastic free agents get away from us. Our #1 draft pick got injured and is a bust. Yadda yadda yadda. What we fans DON'T see is all the back room discussions and insider knowledge about various players. Maybe most teams passed on Lynch and Moss because they were regarded as cancerous.

Right on. Like that's the point I'm making. Idiots. OK... but then 30 other GMs are idiots too. Likewise does that make all the GMs who passed on Rodgers in the 2005 draft idiots too? That's the point I'm making. Did Belichick consider Randy as cancerous when partially because of him the team went undefeated? Does Pete Carroll rue the day that Schneider brought in that cancerous fuck, Marshawn Lynch--whose back they rode to the Lombardi last year? Those were two easy calls to make at the time with any ability to assess talent and foresight at all... Difference makers--both of them...acquired by their respective teams for next to nothing. Massive upside gain...very little downside risk. They BOTH should have been Packers as both Favre and Rodgers will attest...

We fans are unhappy that we have some weak links on our team... but we don't understand the balancing act that every GM has to do to manage the cap. The truth of the matter is that EVERY NFL team has some rot like Marshall Newhouse on its roster.

For whatever its worth I agree with your assessment that TT's draft and develop philosophy is generally sound but a little more flexibility in player procurement would be optimal. However as soon as we typecast him as being overly rigid, he goes out and makes a blockbuster deal to sign Julius Peppers.

Here again--we diverge in our assessments. I like Julius Peppers--always have. You'll recall I was banging the table for TT to score him before the Bears nabbed him...and characterized him as the greatest talent the league has seen since Reggie White. No question in my mind. What the Bears did, when they did it--could rightfully be considered *blockbuster* Now, however...while still very good--Peppers is relegated by age to be little more than an aging beauty queen fighting a battle she cannot win. While a good, solid signing that I'm optimistic over--hardly blockbuster... OK. You can have your word choice. Maybe it's not "blockbuster" but it's pretty darned significant... and quite a departure from TT's usual modus operandi.

I like Ted Thompson and I like Mike McCarthy. We have an excellent GM and an excellent head coach. Even better, the synergy between them is good. The program is sound... one of the best and most stable in the NFL. I think the Packers' chances of picking up another Lombardi or two in the next few years are as good with this program as just about any other program in the NFL.

It's a good program...but again--you're suffering from accolade inflation. Excellence--to me means you are on top of the game. You don't maximize every opportunity and yes--mistakes are sometimes made (but never twice) but beyond that you generally don't leave any scraps on the butcher's table... That's not TT and Fatty has to butcher his way through three steers often before he figures out he's working with a dull fuckin' knife... And...CERTAINLY FAR from the realm you've been arguing for the past season--that they've been so *excellent* that criticism is largely unwarranted... Fine. Start rattling off all the GMs in the league who you feel are better than the albino and then move on to all the coaches in the league who are better than Fatty. I think you'll run out of gas soon in both departments. Again, I don't think either is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but on balance I'm satisfied with their work. Let's put it another way: if I was their employer, I sure wouldn't be looking for an excuse to fire them.

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:15 pm

milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:25 pm

duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Hey Duck..........despite your optimism, the offense currently still SUCKS !!!!!!! We are one injury away from some guy named Myles White lining up as the #3 wide receiver. Where is Brent Swain?.........well where else...........the EFFEN Saskatchewan Roughriders. Great judge of WR talent on TT's part. Tight End and Offensive Line are no better than 2013. Vince Young......Seneca Wallace.......Graham Harrell...........excellent pro style back up QBs. Note the lack of mentions.........i.e., Worthy and Sherrod.

Well, duh, Ringo... of course our offense sucks. We have a fucking idiot for a GM who is completely unaware of the needs of this team. He's trying to piss away all our good receivers so Rodgers has no one to throw to and neglect our offensive line so Rodgers gets killed. Yup. That's the albino's plan.

What we really need is to find someone like HD or Milani to run the team. Then you'd see results. The Lombardi trophies would start piling up like firewood.

I think Milani is probably in over his head trying to get Joanna's shrink-wrapped toe clear of her inhaled spandex prancerpants...

As for me--if I ran the team, I would certainly make a number of changes to optimize and broaden the Albino's model...interestingy, not unlike what John Schneider has done in Seattle. You'll notice in interviews he often overcompensates by stressing that *no avenue of talent acquisition is de-emphasized* in his model. Why is that? Undoubtedly because of the frustration he often encountered in seeing opportunity as the Pack's Director of Player Personnel--and having the conservative albino shoot it down.

Fundamentally--TT has it right; build through the draft. You have to do it to build the core of a team within the confines of the salary cap in order to be consistently successful. Where he fails--as we've discussed before, is in his general aversion to taking on risk and putting into his field of play the adornments necessary to take something generally good--and make it awesome. The tricks in his bag are far too limited. What he starts out with there is a really solid angel food cake--but he generally fails to identify how much better it could be if he only adorned it with a nice--not too sweet--cream cheese frosting and a couple of well placed cherries on top. That's a flaw in his model--and a big one... You get your tool all ramped up to cut glass over Central Division titles at 8-7-1. I see a team since the Superbowl in '10 that has UNDERPERFORMED--routinely missing opportunities in the executive suite, on the sidelines and on the field. The examples are plentiful--but let's just take John Kuhn, since he just happily re-signed for one year at $1M. Tell me--who missed the opportunity the last TWO FUCKING YEARS to drop Kuhn from $2.4-$2.6M down to where he is now as the market/game changed relative to the FB role? That's $3M that could have been spent on other needed pieces to adorn the cake. Tramon Williams is another one--making between $8.5M-$9.75M in each of the past few seasons--WAY beyond what he has produced on the field. Sound familiar? Two years ago we were discussing this. Never even APPROACHED about a pay cut. His market value if released would be something significantly south of HALF of that--yet where is the GM actively managing the CAP maximizing asset value? What other player/players could have been secured in free agency with a net cost of ZERO with that extra $5M/year being pissed away into Tramon's pockets that could have made a material difference to the Pack's fortunes?

You see Duck--I don't expect you to identify a lot of this stuff...but there's a big difference between what you like to characterize in your ongoing *Cheers barstool narrative* and many of the observations that are produced here...but you obviously don't know why--so let me help. These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity. Why is Morgan Burnett still being rewarded like the stud Prince after two seasons of demonstrating NOTHING in the way of the upside they anticipated when they gave him the $$$$ they did? Wasted opportunity. If he balks/walks--who the fuck cares?  At that level of play--how many opportunities have there been in free agency to upgrade that horrifically bad Safety position...speaking of which--who pointed out immediately upon Woodson's release that it was a mistake--the other's weren't ready and done one year too soon? Who pointed out that a reneg of his pay was the astute approach instead? What about the O line? Who was banging the table because they were content to roll the season with the winner of the Marshall Newhouse/Don Barclay sweepstakes at RT? Year after year--no continuity. Why? We drafted 'em--so we'll pound 'em in there and hope for the best. Now they're handing the starting Center job to a player WHO HAS NEVER TAKEN AN NFL SNAP with DON FUCKING BARCLAY as the fall-back plan. That's right--at CENTER where all the line calls are made and through the wall to the most direct route to the QB. How can you ask someone to consistently make the right line shifts based on seeing things they've never seen before? Sounds good to you though, right Duck? Make a couple passes with a wet wipe when he shits the bed, throw on a new diaper and usher his ass right back on out there with a *go-get 'em, Tiger all loaded up. He's only protecting the $125M man. They won the Central last year after all... Who could have their dick more tickled?

Finally Duck--you often seem to try to get me to say it--as GM, could I run that team better than a B player like TT? LOL. I have to forgive you, Duck, and remember--you're operating with limited insight.

Here's the problem with your rant, HD: it's like ragging on Rodgers for the interceptions he throws. Does Thompson occasionally miss opportunities and/or gamble wrong in his salary allocations in managing the cap? Well sure... so does everyone.

You complain: "These observations are made PRIOR TO THE FACT in REAL TIME. These aren't rear-view mirror bitchfest ramblings after time has made what SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE crystal clear. Any fuck-stick can do that. Banging the table to bring in Marshawn Lynch. Wasted opportunity. Banging the table to bring in Randy Moss immediately before he produces the most prolific season at WR EVER. Wasted opportunity." Yet 30 other fan bases could bitch about their general manager for the same thing.

It's easy for fans to bitch about each and every micro-decision a GM makes (or doesn't make). We didn't sign Lynch. We didn't sign Moss. We routinely let all these fantastic free agents get away from us. Our #1 draft pick got injured and is a bust. Yadda yadda yadda. What we fans DON'T see is all the back room discussions and insider knowledge about various players. Maybe most teams passed on Lynch and Moss because they were regarded as cancerous.

Right on. Like that's the point I'm making. Idiots. OK... but then 30 other GMs are idiots too. Likewise does that make all the GMs who passed on Rodgers in the 2005 draft idiots too? That's the point I'm making. Did Belichick consider Randy as cancerous when partially because of him the team went undefeated? Does Pete Carroll rue the day that Schneider brought in that cancerous fuck, Marshawn Lynch--whose back they rode to the Lombardi last year? Those were two easy calls to make at the time with any ability to assess talent and foresight at all... Difference makers--both of them...acquired by their respective teams for next to nothing. Massive upside gain...very little downside risk. They BOTH should have been Packers as both Favre and Rodgers will attest...

We fans are unhappy that we have some weak links on our team... but we don't understand the balancing act that every GM has to do to manage the cap. The truth of the matter is that EVERY NFL team has some rot like Marshall Newhouse on its roster.

For whatever its worth I agree with your assessment that TT's draft and develop philosophy is generally sound but a little more flexibility in player procurement would be optimal. However as soon as we typecast him as being overly rigid, he goes out and makes a blockbuster deal to sign Julius Peppers.

Here again--we diverge in our assessments. I like Julius Peppers--always have. You'll recall I was banging the table for TT to score him before the Bears nabbed him...and characterized him as the greatest talent the league has seen since Reggie White. No question in my mind. What the Bears did, when they did it--could rightfully be considered *blockbuster* Now, however...while still very good--Peppers is relegated by age to be little more than an aging beauty queen fighting a battle she cannot win. While a good, solid signing that I'm optimistic over--hardly blockbuster... OK. You can have your word choice. Maybe it's not "blockbuster" but it's pretty darned significant... and quite a departure from TT's usual modus operandi.

I like Ted Thompson and I like Mike McCarthy. We have an excellent GM and an excellent head coach. Even better, the synergy between them is good. The program is sound... one of the best and most stable in the NFL. I think the Packers' chances of picking up another Lombardi or two in the next few years are as good with this program as just about any other program in the NFL.

It's a good program...but again--you're suffering from accolade inflation. Excellence--to me means you are on top of the game. You don't maximize every opportunity and yes--mistakes are sometimes made (but never twice) but beyond that you generally don't leave any scraps on the butcher's table... That's not TT and Fatty has to butcher his way through three steers often before he figures out he's working with a dull fuckin' knife... And...CERTAINLY FAR from the realm you've been arguing for the past season--that they've been so *excellent* that criticism is largely unwarranted... Fine. Start rattling off all the GMs in the league who you feel are better than the albino and then move on to all the coaches in the league who are better than Fatty. I think you'll run out of gas soon in both departments. Again, I don't think either is perfect by any stretch of the imagination but on balance I'm satisfied with their work. Let's put it another way: if I was their employer, I sure wouldn't be looking for an excuse to fire them.

Who is better? It'd cost a whole lot more than what you're paying for me to rub my lamp and ask the Genie, Melvin--but I can tell you this: The John Schneider's are out there just waiting for that person to come along who sees in them what they have and can unlock the brilliance of that potential... Cool

Finally--this is what disappoints me about you, Duck. By your own admission you are *satisfied* with the underperforming nature of this team. I'm never satisfied with that--neither from myself nor anyone else who surrounds me. You take the easy way out--doing what just a short year or two ago you consistently professed you'd never do--succumb to the weakness of blaming things like injuries for underperformance... I'm a hockey player, Duck. Injuries are for the guy whose ass you are kicking to worry about. To me--they're just something that stole one of my shifts on the ice because some asshole can't stitch fast enough...

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:37 pm

duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice... Yup. We drafted Don Barclay. Why can't we make him a Center? We certainly fooled fans like Duck into believing he was a *good* RT...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod... Laughing

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:47 pm

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod...

What do you suggest, HD? Going on a free agent shopping spree, loading up your roster for a year or two, and rolling the dice for that Super Bowl "window?"

That sounds more like "wishin' and hopin'" to me.

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:04 pm

duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod...

What do you suggest, HD? Going on a free agent shopping spree, loading up your roster for a year or two, and rolling the dice for that Super Bowl "window?"

That sounds more like "wishin' and hopin'" to me.

You want experience and you want wisdom in at least one but preferably BOTH of the safety positions, Duck. It's all read/react--and a seasoned brain can outrun the fleet of foot every time. Guess who is going to the draft yet again to solve a problem that the draft is least set up to satisfy? How many picks have now been burned? How many established free agent Safeties switched teams this off-season? Watch the albino go crap-shooting yet again when the window doesn't allow for that stew to simmer?

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:12 pm

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod...

What do you suggest, HD? Going on a free agent shopping spree, loading up your roster for a year or two, and rolling the dice for that Super Bowl "window?"

That sounds more like "wishin' and hopin'" to me.

You want experience and you want wisdom in at least one but preferably BOTH of the safety positions, Duck. It's all read/react--and a seasoned brain can outrun the fleet of foot every time. Guess who is going to the draft yet again to solve a problem that the draft is least set up to satisfy? How many picks have now been burned? How many established free agent Safeties switched teams this off-season? Watch the albino go crap-shooting yet again when the window doesn't allow for that stew to simmer?

Obviously the albino scrutinized each and every free agent safety and concluded that each and every one of them was not worth the going price. I'm sure his decision was not cavalier, hasty or willy-nilly.

I'm guessing he feels confident that A) the existing safeties on the roster will develop and/or B) with the improvement of our pass rush (via Peppers and a healthy Matthews and Perry) our safety play will improve. One of the defining qualities of a good draft and develop program is that the 2nd and 3rd year players blossom. Nobody, myself included, has been happy with Burnett's performance so far but maybe TT and MM still believe in him. They see him every day in practice so I know their judgment is more accurate than the fans who just watch the games on television.

But I'm sure you would have sunk money into an overpriced free agent safety just for the quick bandaid solution, right? Laughing

by duck Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:36 pm

Oh, and I'm still waiting for that long list of general managers, head coaches and -- most importantly -- total programs that are better than what the Packers have.

Milani mentioned one team, the New England Patriots. Other than that... ::: crickets :::

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:19 pm

duck wrote:Oh, and I'm still waiting for that long list of general managers, head coaches and -- most importantly -- total programs that are better than what the Packers have.

Milani mentioned one team, the New England Patriots. Other than that... ::: crickets :::

Look at any playoff roster who doesn't play perennial one/done, dum dum... Laughing

by Guest Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:22 pm

duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod...

What do you suggest, HD? Going on a free agent shopping spree, loading up your roster for a year or two, and rolling the dice for that Super Bowl "window?"

That sounds more like "wishin' and hopin'" to me.

You want experience and you want wisdom in at least one but preferably BOTH of the safety positions, Duck. It's all read/react--and a seasoned brain can outrun the fleet of foot every time. Guess who is going to the draft yet again to solve a problem that the draft is least set up to satisfy? How many picks have now been burned? How many established free agent Safeties switched teams this off-season? Watch the albino go crap-shooting yet again when the window doesn't allow for that stew to simmer?

Obviously the albino scrutinized each and every free agent safety and concluded that each and every one of them was not worth the going price. I'm sure his decision was not cavalier, hasty or willy-nilly.

I'm guessing he feels confident that A) the existing safeties on the roster will develop and/or B) with the improvement of our pass rush (via Peppers and a healthy Matthews and Perry) our safety play will improve. One of the defining qualities of a good draft and develop program is that the 2nd and 3rd year players blossom. Nobody, myself included, has been happy with Burnett's performance so far but maybe TT and MM still believe in him. They see him every day in practice so I know their judgment is more accurate than the fans who just watch the games on television.

But I'm sure you would have sunk money into an overpriced free agent safety just for the quick bandaid solution, right?

Debating with you is circular and a waste of my time, Duck...

by duck Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:00 am

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Oh, and I'm still waiting for that long list of general managers, head coaches and -- most importantly -- total programs that are better than what the Packers have.

Milani mentioned one team, the New England Patriots. Other than that... ::: crickets :::

Look at any playoff roster who doesn't play perennial one/done, dum dum...

Well, let's take a look at all the teams in the last three years that have won at least one playoff game (meaning that they did not go one/done): San Francisco, New Orleans, Seattle, Indianapolis, San Diego, Denver, Green Bay (oops, there goes your premise), Atlanta, Houston, Baltimore, New England and the New York Giants. That's eleven teams, plus Green Bay. I guess you figure most of these other teams have better programs than the Packers, eh? lol!

by duck Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:01 am

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:Oh, and I'm still waiting for that long list of general managers, head coaches and -- most importantly -- total programs that are better than what the Packers have.

Milani mentioned one team, the New England Patriots. Other than that... ::: crickets :::

Look at any playoff roster who doesn't play perennial one/done, dum dum...

Well, let's take a look at all the teams in the last three years that have won at least one playoff game (meaning that they did not go one/done): San Francisco, New Orleans, Seattle, Indianapolis, San Diego, Denver, Green Bay (oops, there goes your premise), Atlanta, Houston, Baltimore, New England and the New York Giants. That's eleven teams, plus Green Bay. I guess you figure most of these other teams have better programs than the Packers, eh?

lol!

by duck Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:08 am

_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
_HD_ wrote:
duck wrote:
milani wrote:I know we get greedy when we win a championship. But windows of opportunity are only there for a short while. And you have to seize the moment. New England is a fine example of a team that won 3 SBs and lost 3 in the last 20 years. And when they have not been there they have been oh so close. We've been to the playoffs 6 of the last 7 years...one SB and one NFC championship game. But we've been knocked out rather soon. The one year we should have been knocked out we went all the way by some fickle fortune of fate.
Peyton has endured much the same and his window is all but shut for ever. Favre lost out the most. It would truly be sad if ARod only gets his one and done.
Organizations cannot be too conservative in an attempt to avoid recklessness.

Kudos to New England. They have had more post season success than Green Bay in the last 20 years. Start rattling off the other franchises.

It would indeed be sad if Rodgers ended his career with only one Lombardi but it could happen. They don't hand them out for free... there are 32 teams fighting for one each year.

What do you propose? Stacking all the chips up for one year or two, saying this is our "window" and we're going to mortgage our future to go for it? That's what the Vikings did with Favre. That's just great if it works... but if it doesn't, you have to cut and gut and go through a rebuild. It would be a shame to see Rodgers on a really crappy team that was destined to go 4-12 or 5-11.

I like the way the Packers are doing it. Keep the team competitive year after year, hope the injury Gods are merciful, and enter the postseason with the best QB in the game and a shot at running the table.

Yup--spoken like a true MM/TT disciple. We'll rest our fortunes on Rodgers and hope/pray lightning can strike in the same place twice...

Wishin' and hopin' are for losers and fools, Duck. You want steak? Then you grab a gun and shoot yourself a steer. You want fish? Then grab a boat and dip a line in the water--not do your lucky polka dance that one of the Ringo's will stop by and ring 'a ling on your bell with a basket full of cod...

What do you suggest, HD? Going on a free agent shopping spree, loading up your roster for a year or two, and rolling the dice for that Super Bowl "window?"

That sounds more like "wishin' and hopin'" to me.

You want experience and you want wisdom in at least one but preferably BOTH of the safety positions, Duck. It's all read/react--and a seasoned brain can outrun the fleet of foot every time. Guess who is going to the draft yet again to solve a problem that the draft is least set up to satisfy? How many picks have now been burned? How many established free agent Safeties switched teams this off-season? Watch the albino go crap-shooting yet again when the window doesn't allow for that stew to simmer?

Obviously the albino scrutinized each and every free agent safety and concluded that each and every one of them was not worth the going price. I'm sure his decision was not cavalier, hasty or willy-nilly.

I'm guessing he feels confident that A) the existing safeties on the roster will develop and/or B) with the improvement of our pass rush (via Peppers and a healthy Matthews and Perry) our safety play will improve. One of the defining qualities of a good draft and develop program is that the 2nd and 3rd year players blossom. Nobody, myself included, has been happy with Burnett's performance so far but maybe TT and MM still believe in him. They see him every day in practice so I know their judgment is more accurate than the fans who just watch the games on television.

But I'm sure you would have sunk money into an overpriced free agent safety just for the quick bandaid solution, right?

Debating with you is circular and a waste of my time, Duck...

Nah, you're just huffy because I challenge your core assumptions. You routinely characterize Fatty and Whitey as blundering chucklefucks and if I disagree with your assessments you either call me a homer or retreat to saying I simply don't have the vision and insight you do.

by RingoCStarrQB Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:44 pm

From the internet:
When we last heard from former Northern Illinois quarterback Jordan Lynch, he was saying he had been told by NFL scouts that he could be a pro quarterback. But at his Pro Day workout today, NFL scouts wanted to see how he looked doing drills as a running back or defensive back.

Lynch hadn’t prepared to do any position drills on defense, but when some coaches who attended the Pro Day asked him to, Lynch obliged.

“A few teams really like me at running back and I did some safety footwork drills today out of the blue and got some positive feedback there. They said I have nice feet, quick feet,” Lynch told 670 The Score in Chicago.

There’s no doubt that Lynch has quick feet: His time of 6.55 seconds in the three-cone drill wasn’t just the fastest of any quarterback at this year’s Combine, but was faster than any running back as well. Lynch has the athletic talent to play some position at the next level.

But for all his success as a Heisman Trophy finalist in college, he’s probably not a good enough passer to play quarterback in the NFL, even if he’s still holding out hope that he can.

“I helped myself today,” Lynch said. “I threw every NFL route today. Threw on time, threw on target, threw everything. Maybe a few incomplete passes here and there.”

If Lynch helped himself today, it was most likely because of his willingness to work out at a position other than quarterback.

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