Capers not really the problem
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Capers not really the problem
by throttleplate Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:29 am
Got this from espn about steelers dick lebeau,could just as well be capers.
He would be the first to admit that great players were the primary reason for such success -- from mammoth nose tackle [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] clogging the middle of the line to safety [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making plays all over the field and a succession of outside linebackers tormenting opposing quarterbacks.
LeBeau would also be the last to say what has become painfully obvious: Personnel, not schemes, are the biggest reason why the Steelers' defense has plummeted this season.
The Steelers simply have not been able to replace players like the aforementioned ones as well as others such as linebackers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], which is why their defense is middling at best right now.
The Steelers derived the sustained success they enjoyed from a simple formula: They always seemed to have an impact player ready to take over when another one left or retired, particularly on defense.
That assembly line has been in some disrepair, and it is fair to question how well the Steelers are drafting and developing young players.
But to scapegoat LeBeau for the Steelers' defensive woes is ludicrous.
He would be the first to admit that great players were the primary reason for such success -- from mammoth nose tackle [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] clogging the middle of the line to safety [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] making plays all over the field and a succession of outside linebackers tormenting opposing quarterbacks.
LeBeau would also be the last to say what has become painfully obvious: Personnel, not schemes, are the biggest reason why the Steelers' defense has plummeted this season.
The Steelers simply have not been able to replace players like the aforementioned ones as well as others such as linebackers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], which is why their defense is middling at best right now.
The Steelers derived the sustained success they enjoyed from a simple formula: They always seemed to have an impact player ready to take over when another one left or retired, particularly on defense.
That assembly line has been in some disrepair, and it is fair to question how well the Steelers are drafting and developing young players.
But to scapegoat LeBeau for the Steelers' defensive woes is ludicrous.
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Re: Capers not really the problem
by MB20 Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:18 am
Again, not to defend Capers because I'd like to see someone else get a shot next year, but losing Nick Collins was a death blow to this defense that to this day they haven't gotten over. There have been a bunch of front 7 issues, too, but Collins to me was kind of the guy that just kept shit together and was always a threat to make plays. Between his loss and Tramon Williams turning into a shell of himself, the secondary has been a hot mess for going on 3 years now.
On top of that, you have BJ Raji who plays great when he's not invisible, a middle linebacker for whom the light turned on only after 8 fucking seasons, another very adequate defensive lineman who spent 3 years engaging purple drank instead of offensive linemen, and up until this year Erik Fucking Walden. He also spent 2011 and 2012 with a rapidly declining Charles Woodson.
I shit on Capers a lot, and he deserves it a good deal of the time, but despite a plethora of high draft picks, his job isn't as easy as it seems it should be.
On top of that, you have BJ Raji who plays great when he's not invisible, a middle linebacker for whom the light turned on only after 8 fucking seasons, another very adequate defensive lineman who spent 3 years engaging purple drank instead of offensive linemen, and up until this year Erik Fucking Walden. He also spent 2011 and 2012 with a rapidly declining Charles Woodson.
I shit on Capers a lot, and he deserves it a good deal of the time, but despite a plethora of high draft picks, his job isn't as easy as it seems it should be.
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Re: Capers not really the problem
by JnC4GB Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:49 am
Clay Mathews returns to practice today.
Thank Christ.
Thank Christ.
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Re: Capers not really the problem
by milani Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:18 pm
Exactly, correct. Our 2012 defense is not when to remember but had he been there for more than two games I am sure our defensive numbers would have been better. We have not had anyone in the safety position as good since then. And it may be a while until we see one. We could have gone after Dashon Goldston in free agency but paid through the nose. Hopefully, we'll go for a safety in the 1st round next year.. a hard hitter.MB20 wrote:Again, not to defend Capers because I'd like to see someone else get a shot next year, but losing Nick Collins was a death blow to this defense that to this day they haven't gotten over. There have been a bunch of front 7 issues, too, but Collins to me was kind of the guy that just kept shit together and was always a threat to make plays. Between his loss and Tramon Williams turning into a shell of himself, the secondary has been a hot mess for going on 3 years now.
On top of that, you have BJ Raji who plays great when he's not invisible, a middle linebacker for whom the light turned on only after 8 fucking seasons, another very adequate defensive lineman who spent 3 years engaging purple drank instead of offensive linemen, and up until this year Erik Fucking Walden. He also spent 2011 and 2012 with a rapidly declining Charles Woodson.
I shit on Capers a lot, and he deserves it a good deal of the time, but despite a plethora of high draft picks, his job isn't as easy as it seems it should be.
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Re: Capers not really the problem
by duck Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:30 pm
You all make valid points that Capers would look better with better players and a healthy squad... but then again, who wouldn't? The Packers do about as good a job as any team with injuries. I think MB (and Milani) hit the nail on the head. Our defense was never the same after Collins went down.
In fairness, our defense is playing better in 2013, especially against the run.
In fairness, our defense is playing better in 2013, especially against the run.
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Re: Capers not really the problem
by milani Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:36 pm
The argument was made on the other thread about our defense losing the game on Monday because Rodgers was not there to win it. Our D did force some punts against the Bears but they did not get any turnovers and just were not good on 3rd down. They got blown out by almost every Bear throwing a block. The D looks pretty good against inept offenses but when they have to face a better offense like the Bears they are not going to shut them down. So many of our plays that the D had made this year were by Matthews. ( And he was not there. ) Hawk looked like he had to cover the whole field.duck wrote:You all make valid points that Capers would look better with better players and a healthy squad... but then again, who wouldn't? The Packers do about as good a job as any team with injuries. I think MB (and Milani) hit the nail on the head. Our defense was never the same after Collins went down.
In fairness, our defense is playing better in 2013, especially against the run.
Without Perry, Matthews, and Jones we are an average defense that can't make big plays. ( Unless someone tries to run up the middle every play ).
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Agree about Collins
by ffaralli Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:27 am
Agreed about Collins.
He made Peprah, who is just a very average NFL player, a really good player.
Peprah got cut one year after he had to play without Collins.
NC played the run well and covered tons of ground in the secondary, making up for Peprah's lack of speed.
And we haven't replaced him. MD Jennings and McMillan are special teamers, that's about it.
And I know they like him, not that sold on Burnett, though he's better than the other two guys.
Like the backup quarterback situation, that falls on MM/TT. Time to invest a top pick on a Safety and a backup QB (something in say, round 2/3).
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He made Peprah, who is just a very average NFL player, a really good player.
Peprah got cut one year after he had to play without Collins.
NC played the run well and covered tons of ground in the secondary, making up for Peprah's lack of speed.
And we haven't replaced him. MD Jennings and McMillan are special teamers, that's about it.
And I know they like him, not that sold on Burnett, though he's better than the other two guys.
Like the backup quarterback situation, that falls on MM/TT. Time to invest a top pick on a Safety and a backup QB (something in say, round 2/3).
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