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Post by guppy on Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:29 pm

Here's another turn in this bizarre saga.  By now itts obvious that the Patriots are squeaky clean here, and the NFL has embarrassed themselves to high heaven.  Complete lack of integrity by the NFL.


If Colts GM Grigson went to the league with his concerns before the game, as he said he did (which is the opposite of what Head of Officials Dean Blandino said), then why did the league allow any under spec balls to be used in the game in the first place?  What about the [cough, cough] "integrity of the game"?  [Gag].   Unless the game refs didn't know about Grigson's concern as relayed to Football Operations guy Mike Kensil, and some underhanded scheme was going on by Kensil on his own trying to frame the Pats.  After all, he comes from the Jets, and whatever underhanded shit he did is going to come out, and its not going to be good for him, or the league.  Kensil tried to do his own sting operation, I'll bet.  



Delete "Deflate-gate".  This is now about "Frame-gate".  


What about the other official who was fired for stealing balls meant for charity?  ESPN wrongly tried to blame the poor Pats locker room attendant McNally who was handed the unmarked ball by this thief, before that story went up in flames before 24 hours passed, when it was revealed by Adam Schefter that McNally was handed the unmarked ball by an NFL employee!!!.  And the reason they were short on game balls that were marked as approved by Head Ref Walt Anderson was because this other NFL staffer was fucking stealing them!!!   McNally was merely handing off the ball that was handed to him!  By a league employee who was subsequently fired for a thievery and a "pattern" of bad conduct!  You can't make this up.  The ESPN "Outside the Lines" reporter Kelly Nagi who tried to accuse McNally of "trying to introduce" a non approved ball into the game has now seen her career go up in flames.  Everyone on sports talk radio in Boston is mocking her.  And she said she worked on the story for three weeks before publishing it.  OMG, what a tool.  She worked on it for three weeks, and before it was out 24 hours it was shown to be absolute garbage!  Good job there ESPN.  Way to go.



The Pats are the only ones who look good here.  Its more clear every day that they did absolutely nothing wrong.  It is everyone else who is dirty.


Its all Goodell's fault for his piss poor leadership.  Roger was paid by the NFL $675,000.00 per week last year.  He is clueless at how to handle issues.  Only in America can you be this incompetent and become a multi-millionaire.  He's just got to go.  Please owners, get this clown out of office.  Now.







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Since it was the Patriots who were actually the ones who alerted the league about the K-balls, do you think it even make any sense whatsoever that they would do something intentionally wrong with the scrimmage balls?  Me neither.

 
Thankfully, the more time passes, the more most people are coming to their senses and see that this "deflate-gate" bullshit never was a "thing" to begin with.  Oh, there will always be hold out trolls who call the Pats cheaters, actual truth be damned.  But the only reason these brain dead goobers keep themselves blind to the truth, and hang on to their little fantasy is 1) they are mostly 7th graders and below and not too smart, and 2) it just pains them to their insecure cores that Tom Brady - individually - has MORE playoff wins than 23 NFL franchises have in all of their existence, and their team is likely one of those 23.  LOL. 



Meanwhile, Ted Wells (my fellow alum) is the smarted man on the planet.  He gets to charge the league at his rate of probably $1,000-$1,500 per hour to analyze what is, and always has been, a NON-ISSUE.  He must sit in his office and laugh his ass off.   Easiest work he's ever had.  And his law partners are surely slapping him high fives every night.  He just keeps the investigation going and going, and his firm just keeps sending out those invoices to replenish his retainer over and over which the NFL pays on the spot.  $Cha-Ching, $Cha-Ching. 
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Post by George1963 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:17 am

If Colts GM Grigson went to the league with his concerns before the game, as he said he did (which is the opposite of what Head of Officials Dean Blandino said), then why did the league allow any under spec balls to be used in the game in the first place?  What about the [cough, cough] "integrity of the game"?  [Gag].   Unless the game refs didn't know about Grigson's concern as relayed to Football Operations guy Mike Kensil, and some underhanded scheme was going on by Kensil on his own trying to frame the Pats.  After all, he comes from the Jets, and whatever underhanded shit he did is going to come out, and its not going to be good for him, or the league.  Kensil tried to do his own sting operation, I'll bet.



So under your scenario the NFL
Received an unconfirmed report leading up to the AFCCG that the Patriots were cheating.
Followed their procedures prior to and during the AFCCG and
Caught the Patriots cheating.


This absolves the Patriots.
Brilliant.



What about the other official who was fired for stealing balls meant for charity?  ESPN wrongly tried to blame the poor Pats locker room attendant McNally who was handed the unmarked ball by this thief, before that story went up in flames before 24 hours passed, when it was revealed by Adam Schefter that McNally was handed the unmarked ball by an NFL employee!!!.  And the reason they were short on game balls that were marked as approved by Head Ref Walt Anderson was because this other NFL staffer was fucking stealing them!!!   McNally was merely handing off the ball that was handed to him!  By a league employee who was subsequently fired for a thievery and a "pattern" of bad conduct!  You can't make this up.  The ESPN "Outside the Lines" reporter Kelly Nagi who tried to accuse McNally of "trying to introduce" a non approved ball into the game has now seen her career go up in flames.  Everyone on sports talk radio in Boston is mocking her.


Kelley Naqis report hasn't been disputed by Adam Schefter or anyone else and the fanboy hosts and callers of Boston sports radio are mocking her. Why is that not surprising? 



But the only reason these brain dead goobers keep themselves blind to the truth, and hang on to their little fantasy is 1) they are mostly 7th graders and below and not too smart


Ad Hominem  attacks are often a sign of someone with a weak mind or argument. You've been pretty consistent with them for the last several weeks. Sorry, years.
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Re: Patriots alerted league re issue with Kicking balls

Post by guppy on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:57 am

George1963 wrote:


So under your scenario the NFL
Received an unconfirmed report leading up to the AFCCG that the Patriots were cheating.
Followed their procedures prior to and during the AFCCG and
Caught the Patriots cheating.


This absolves the Patriots.
Brilliant.

Either you don't read the available articles on this story, or you live in a fantasy world.  A little of both I think.

Question:  Do you understand the difference between a finding that some balls were slightly under the minimum psi on the one hand, and the explanation for the balls being slightly under minimum psi as being the result of deliberate action on the other? 

Since you continue to stubbornly hang on to the phrase "Caught the Patriots cheating", you obviously do not.  We know its a huge disappointment for you, but the Patriots were not "caught cheating".  The only place where they were "caught cheating" is in the imaginations of sore losers.

Let me educate what you obviously don't have either the ability or intellectual honesty to grasp.  

Ted Wells is looking to see if some intentional, deliberate action by the Patriots took place, not just if some balls were slightly under the minimum.   

And even though Ted Wells has not reported his conclusion yet, we do know from every "leak" that's been reported, it has been looking more and more clear that there was no deliberate action.  There is not one "fact" that has been reported that even suggests that there was some intentional, deliberate action on their part to alter the psi after the balls were marked approved.  None.  In the face of everything that's out there that contradicts you, how you can say the Patriots were "Caught cheating" is mind boggling.  It is the equivalent of us standing outside on a sunny day and looking up into the sky, and me saying, "Look, the sky is blue", and you saying, "No its not, the sky is green."  

You want "brilliant"?  Here's some "brilliance" for you:  Since the Patriots did not actively, affirmatively do anything wrong, they don't have to be, as you say, "absolved" of any wrongdoing.  I know when that conclusion comes out officially from Ted Wells, its going to make all your previous posts about Brady, about Belichick, about the Patriots, make you look mighty foolish.  But you brought it all on yourself.  So get ready for it. 






Kelley Naqis report hasn't been disputed by Adam Schefter or anyone else and the fanboy hosts and callers of Boston sports radio are mocking her. Why is that not surprising? 

Are you high?  Kelley Naqi's report (A three week effort on her part.  She even drove to New Hampshire and knocked on the door of Jim McNally's home) totally blew up in her face.  Once again, you choosing what you want to believe instead of the truth that's right in front of your nose.  I listened to Kelly Naqi being interviewed on the radio.  From her own lips, her "story" was that McNally "tried to introduce a non approved K-ball into the game."  She was not just reporting facts.  She was assigning motive to McNally.  She kept using the word "introduce", outright stating as a fact that he, due to ulterior motive, was trying to sneak the ball into the game.  She was outright accusing him of intentionally attempting to put an unapproved ball - that he knew was unapproved -  into the game for some bad faith reason.  She could not say what the specific reason was, but she was definitely clear that there was intent on his part to break a rule.  I heard her speak.  That's what she said. 

Withing 24 hours what did Adam Schefter say?  He said that the ball that McNally handed (not "tried to introduce") to the game official was in fact handed to him by an NFL employee.  Clearly, (at least clearly for those people who are objective) he was merely handing the ball off that was given to him.  He was not trying to "introduce" an unapproved ball into the game.  If that's all there is, there is complete egg on Kelley's face.  Everyone sees that, whether Boston sports radio, or Deluth sports radio.  She wrongly assigned bad motive and bad intent to McNally when there was none.  Total lack of journalistic integrity.  Her three weeks of work resulted in a farce that was stunningly debunked by a fellow ESPN reporter.  Before her story, nobody ever heard of her.  She saw this as her chance to make a name for herself.  She made a name for herself alright, just not the kind she was hoping for.  

But wait, it gets better.  What did we find out about this NFL employee who handed the unapproved ball to McNally, who then handed it to the official?  We find out the reason he handed the unapproved ball to McNally was that he was stealing the approved balls, and the stolen balls needed to be replaced.   What?  Yes.  He stole the approved ball so he could sell it for personal profit on the side, and replaced it with an unapproved ball that he handed to McNally.  Making matters worse, the approved balls that he had been stealing for himself were meant to be sold for charitable purposes.  In effect, he was stealing from some charity.  Now, what did the NFL do when they found out he had been running this little personal side business selling game balls?  They fired his ass. 

Unreal.  You can't make this shit up.  This is not about Boston sports radio.  Once again, in your warped, distorted view of things, you're off base by a mile.  No, miles.  This is about everyone, everywhere saying Kelley's report was garbage.  McNally had no such motive or intent as she said he did.  He did not try to deceptively "introduce" an unapproved ball into the game.  I have read many a post on many a blog site from many a fan who are not Patriots fans, scoffing at Naqi's "story" and suggesting Jim McNally get a lawyer and sue her and ESPN.  Not me.  NON Pats fans, saying it, and that enough is enough.  






Ad Hominem  attacks are often a sign of someone with a weak mind or argument. You've been pretty consistent with them for the last several weeks. Sorry, years.

Since you seem to be sensitive about "attacks", let me tell you something.  There is no type of "attack" that is more vile, more disgusting, and more offensive than the type of "attack" that without a basis wrongly accuses someone of something that they didn't do.  You've been more than consistent with that, you've been unwavering - despite the fact that your dishonest "they cheated" conclusion is crumbling all around you, and multitudes of non Pats fans, whose posts I have read believe deflategate is a baseless witch hunt.  The back pedaling by Bob Kravitz, Gregg Doyel and others who jumped the gun is not even enough for you.  But it is laughable.  You criticizing ad hominem attacks?  That's rich, coming from someone who has made continual ad hominem attacks on Tom Brady and Bill Belichick without the slightest bit of justification.
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Post by George1963 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:23 am

From her own lips, her "story" was that McNally "tried to introduce a non approved K-ball into the game."  She was not just reporting facts.  She was assigning motive to McNally.  She kept using the word "introduce", outright stating as a fact that he, due to ulterior motive, was trying to sneak the ball into the game.  She was outright accusing him of intentionally attempting to put an unapproved ball - that he knew was unapproved -  into the game for some bad faith reason.


How does the statement you highlighted assign motive? Except in your mind of course. How does a factual statement that nobody has disputed assign motive?



This is about everyone, everywhere saying Kelley's report was garbage.  McNally had no such motive or intent as she said he did.  He did not try to deceptively "introduce" an unapproved ball into the game.



She didn't use the word 'deceptively' and



introduce

[in-truh-doos, -dyoos]

3. to present (a person, product, etc.) to a particular group of individuals or to the general public for or as if for the first time by a formal act, announcement, series of recommendations or events, etc.


Let me educate what you obviously don't have either the ability or intellectual honesty to grasp.

Fuck you.

Ted Wells is looking to see if some intentional, deliberate action by the Patriots took place, not just if some balls were slightly under the minimum. 


No he's not. Well maybe he is, but you stating something you have no way of knowing doesn't make it a fact, and in any event. It doesn't matter.
They don't need an "intentional, deliberate action" to punish the Patriots. Circumstantial evidence is enough.
Under authority granted to Goodell after spygate, punishment can be meted based only on circumstantial evidence.
So let's look at that. All the "leaks" agree on these points
The balls were legal before the game.
At halftime the Colts were legal and the Patriots were low.
A Patriots staffer was seen taking the balls into a restroom for 98 seconds.
All that was known by the wednesday after the game.
Goodell could have punished the Patriots right then based on authority given him by the owners, unanimously, at the 2008 winter meetings. Kinda makes Krafts angry statement that he needs more than circumstantial evidence seem somewhat.....disingenuous would be a nice word. I'd say the latest in a long series of lies, but that aside,
Goodell could have punished the Patriots within a week based on reports that nobody disputes.
He didn't.
That's why I told you to calm down. Nothing's going to happen. This will be broomed just like spygate was.
Wells could come up with a video of BB TB and the ball boy discussing what they want done and how and it would never see the light of day.
Relax.



Since you seem to be sensitive about "attacks", let me tell you something.  There is no type of "attack" that is more vile, more disgusting, and more offensive than the type of "attack" that without a basis wrongly accuses someone of something that they didn't do.

Blow it out your ass. Ask BB if it's OK with him first, then blow it out your ass.
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:47 pm

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How does the statement you highlighted assign motive? Except in your mind of course. How does a factual statement that nobody has disputed assign motive?

She said, "He attempted to introduce an illegal ball into the game."  If you can't see the difference between the clear, unequivocal meaning of her saying that McNally "attempted to introduce" vs. the actual truth that McNally was merely a functionary who merely  "handed off what was handed to him", there is nothing I can do to help you.  Her description unmistakeably implies a bad faith motive and a wrongful intent on his part.  ("He tried to wrongfully sneak an illegal ball into the game, all the while knowing exactly what he was doing and that it was wrong.")  The other is a neutral description of him serving as a mere functionary (just handing off something that the only reason it was in his hands in the first place was because it was handed to him by a league employee) with total absence of motive or intent.  God, I know that you know the difference.  Why force yourself into making an argument totally devoid of logic and common sense?  Its unbelievable that for whatever reason - known only to you - you feel the need to abandon all logic and common sense.  Its sick really.



  I accurately pointed out that everyone, everywhere is saying Naqi's report was garbage.  You choose to be different than everyone, everywhere.  Whatever.  Adam Schefter poured gasoline on her story and lit the match.  In a stunning display of ESPN on ESPN crime it went up in blaze of glory.  Too funny.   Jim McNally had no such motive or intent as she unmistakeably suggested he did.  Her report has been universally scoffed at, not just in Boston.  Funny we haven't heard from her since.  Probably in hiding out of shame.





Fuck you.

The problem clearly lies with you, not me. 

And you tell me to "relax"?  LOL.




Ted Wells is looking to see if some intentional, deliberate action by the Patriots took place, not just if some balls were slightly under the minimum. 


No he's not.

Um, excuse me, that's exactly what he, and the league, said he is determining.  Duh. 
What exactly is your problem?  Why do you choose to be such a stranger with the truth?




They don't need an "intentional, deliberate action" to punish the Patriots. Circumstantial evidence is enough.

As a general statement of principle, I agree that circumstantial evidence certainly is enough upon which to base a conclusion.....however, only when there is enough circumstantial evidence present. 

In this case, regarding the question of deliberate action, THERE IS NONE.  Nada.  Zilch.  Zippo. 



Nothing's going to happen.

We agree on that.  But we disagree on the reason therefore. 

The real reason why nothing is going to happen is because THEY DID NOTHING.

The fact that they DID NOTHING is the ONLY REASON why "nothing's going to happen".   



And don't fucking tell me to relax.   Would you relax if your team's legitimate, hard earned championship accomplishments were subject of unjust, vacuous, frivolous, and blatantly false charges?  I doubt it.  If the shoe was on the other foot, you would be signing a vastly different tune, no doubt about it.


Bottom line:  Your hopeless cries that the Patriots were "caught cheating" in the AFCCG was, is, and continues to be W-R-O-N-G. 

Get it?  W-R-O-N-G. 

As in FALSE. 
As in INACCURATE. 
As in FLAWED. 
As in INCORRECT.

Be certain of one sure thing.   The fact that your bias is not allowing yourself the intellectual honesty to accept the reality that the Patriots did NOTHING is of no matter to me.
  That's your choice.  Live with it, or don't live with it.  Accept it.  Don't accept it.  I could not care less.




Blow it out your ass. Ask BB if it's OK with him first, then blow it out your ass.

I will.......but not until after next year's Pats-Colts game when the Pats are up by 4 or 5 TD's late in the 4th Q and have the ball inside the Colts 10 yard line with less than a minute to go in the game, and Tom Brady is throwing into the end zone for yet another meaningless score. 
Its going to be one of those sweet "run up the score" games.  Book it. 
And I'm going to love it.  It will serve that slimeball Grigson right.





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