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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:18 am

It's unanimous.

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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:14 am

George1963 wrote:It's unanimous.

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Almost.


* [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Seven of the eight experts pick the Patriots. Only Seth Wickersham picks the Ravens.

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:32 am

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:It's unanimous.

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Almost.


* [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Seven of the eight experts pick the Patriots. Only Seth Wickersham picks the Ravens.

Did you read the article Gup?
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:45 am

George1963 wrote:
guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:It's unanimous.

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Almost.


* [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Seven of the eight experts pick the Patriots. Only Seth Wickersham picks the Ravens.

Did you read the article Gup?


Why do you ask?

PS.   Your link did not take me to an "article", which, by definition, is a written composition in prose.  Rather, this was a bullet point listing, one after another, of various analysts' picks.  Contained within it was the above statement that 7 of 8 "experts" picked the Patriots, with the dissenting vote cast by one Seth Wickersham, thus indicating lack of unanimity, i.e, absence of agreement of ALL people involved. 

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 9:57 am

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:
guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:It's unanimous.

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Almost.


* [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: Seven of the eight experts pick the Patriots. Only Seth Wickersham picks the Ravens.

Did you read the article Gup?


Why do you ask?

PS.   Your link did not take me to an "article", which, by definition, is a written composition in prose.  Rather, this was a bullet point listing, one after another, of various analysts' picks.  Contained within it was the above statement that 7 of 8 "experts" picked the Patriots, with the dissenting vote cast by one Seth Wickersham, thus indicating lack of unanimity, i.e, absence of agreement of ALL people involved. 


The date Guppy. Look at the date. Jeez this shit isn't funny if I have to walk you through it!
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:53 am

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The date Guppy. Look at the date. Jeez this shit isn't funny if I have to walk you through it!


Date, Schmate.  Who looks at dates when one is expecting to see a discussion of current events?  You should have referenced it instead of trying to be so cute by slyly shoving painful memories of the past in my face.

But if you insist on bringing up the past, here:  LOL


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You may have youth firmly on your side George, but don't make me come down there and do to you what your favorite Patriot Rob Gronkowski did to the villain T. Suggs.




Now just go and Do Your Job and make me happy by ending Peyton's season.   I'm so sick of seeing him humming that tune in the "Nationwide is on your side" commercial, I want to vomit.  Every time it comes on I literally press the mute button on the remote.  On the basis of that commercial alone, Peyton deserves an early exit from the playoffs.

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:30 pm

Now just go and Do Your Job and make me happy by ending Peyton's season.   I'm so sick of seeing him humming that tune in the "Nationwide is on your side" commercial, I want to vomit.  Every time it comes on I literally press the mute button on the remote.  On the basis of that commercial alone, Peyton deserves an early exit from the playoffs.


I like that commercial. "Nothing beats that new car smell." Good stuff. Don't see it happening though. I'd love it. But it's a tall task. I don't see any upsets. Not the Colts, certainly not the Panthers. Dallas?
I'd actually give the Ravens the best shot, but wouldn't bet on it.


BTW I was trying to shove "painful memories of the past" down your throat but I effed up. The Pats won that year. (2011 season) The one I meant to post (2012 season) was almost as pro Pats but, wrong year.

Same point spread in both games as in this one fwiw.   
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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:42 pm

PS.   Your link did not take me to an "article", which, by definition, is a written composition in prose.



A roundup of how ESPN's analysts see Saturday’s Patriots-Ravens AFC Championship Game playing out.

Unless you want to set that to music, it's prose.


 Rather, this was a bullet point listing, one after another, of various analysts' picks.


Not listing so much as quoting, which is an accepted part of an article.
From a journalistic standpoint, if it's not the writers opinion, just a reporting of facts, it's an article.
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:54 pm

George1963 wrote:

 Rather, this was a bullet point listing, one after another, of various analysts' picks.


Not listing so much as quoting,

Or a listing ("roundup" as the author describes it) of quotes would be just as accurate.


which is an accepted part of an article.


well, the listing of quotes in this instance was not part of an article, but rather, for all intents and purposes, the whole article.


From a journalistic standpoint, if it's not the writers opinion, just a reporting of facts, it's an article.

Unless, of course, its an "Op-ed article". 


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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:10 pm

George1963 wrote:I'm so sick of seeing him humming that tune in the "Nationwide is on your side" commercial, I want to vomit.  Every time it comes on I literally press the mute button on the remote.  On the basis of that commercial alone, Peyton deserves an early exit from the playoffs.


I like that commercial. "Nothing beats that new car smell." Good stuff.

Nooooooooo.   I don't believe you.  It grates on me.  I'm serious.  Didn't at first.  But now I'm way over-saturated with it.  "Chicken Parm you taste so good" means I will not be ordering chicken parm.......ever.   Razz

Query:  Which list is shorter:  A) a list of the things in the US economy that Peyton sells, or B) a list of the things in the US economy that Peyton doesn't sell?



Don't see it happening though. I'd love it. But it's a tall task.

It is.  But you never know.  Could be a crazy shoot out type of game.

I don't see any upsets.

Can Seattle (highest rated team in the tournament) be upset, or do they become the first team since the Pats to repeat?  That's THE question of this post season.

BTW I was trying to shove "painful memories of the past" down your throat

That's OK, bring it.  Bring it all week.

but I effed up.

Wouldn't be the first time.  Ouch.  Laughing


Same point spread in both games as in this one fwiw.

Same point spread?  Ya, well, to quote a wise man known by some as TB12:

 
“Everything’s different at this point,” Brady said. “We can never change anything that’s happened in the past, nor can they. You can’t bring players out of retirement, they can’t either. It’s the guys we’ve got vs. the guys they’ve got, which that’s an entirely new team that we have and an entirely new team that they have. There’s some carryover, there’s some characteristics that are the same, but these teams have established their own identities. It’s going to be the Patriots’ 2014 version vs. the Ravens’ 2014 version and we go from there."
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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:38 pm

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:

 Rather, this was a bullet point listing, one after another, of various analysts' picks.


Not listing so much as quoting,

Or a listing ("roundup" as the author describes it) of quotes would be just as accurate.


which is an accepted part of an article.


well, the listing of quotes in this instance was not part of an article, but rather, for all intents and purposes, the whole article.


From a journalistic standpoint, if it's not the writers opinion, just a reporting of facts, it's an article.

Unless, of course, its an "Op-ed article". 
 An op-ed is by definition not an article. Neither is a column, a publishers statement, a letter to the editor.
I read newspaper style guides for my own amusement too.
I need a life.
They're mostly x and o sausage making stuff, but they also try to define what's what.
Oddly, some of them seem to let their editorial opinions ooze into their guidelines of what "pure news" is.
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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:49 pm

I like that commercial. "Nothing beats that new car smell." Good stuff.

Nooooooooo.   I don't believe you.  It grates on me.  I'm serious.  Didn't at first.  But now I'm way over-saturated with it.  "Chicken Parm you taste so good" means I will not be ordering chicken parm.......ever.   [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]


Pey Pey doesn't care. He's not endorsing chicken parm. He's endorsing an insurance company. Can you name it? Of course you can. He's done his job then. You just hate the fact that he's better at something than Tommy One Two. Or Brady 2X6. Or whatever that one of many failed marketing campaigns Giselle got her husband involved with was.
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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:55 pm

"It’s going to be the Patriots’ 2014 version vs. the Ravens’ 2014 version and we go from there."

Except there's one thing that goes back a few years. They're still not afraid of you and you're still, well....
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:29 pm

George1963 wrote:

Pey Pey doesn't care. He's not endorsing chicken parm.

Of course he's not endorsing chicken parm.  But in my mind, for better or worse, chicken parm is now associated with Pay Pay.  So from now on I'll be going with whatever Jared from Subway is selling.  He has much more natural appeal to the common man, like myself. 

You just hate the fact that he's better at something than Tommy One Two. Or Brady 2X6. Or whatever that one of many failed marketing campaigns Giselle got her husband involved with was.

Ha ha. Must have touched a nerve.  Why else would you bring Tom Terrific into this?

You're just mad cause unlike a QB who is really just a glorified insurance salesman, the multitalented Captain America can actually do it all. 

Picks apart NFL defenses, AND makes awesome pancakes.


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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:46 pm

George1963 wrote:"It’s going to be the Patriots’ 2014 version vs. the Ravens’ 2014 version and we go from there."

Except there's one thing that goes back a few years. They're still not afraid of you and you're still, well....


....not afraid of anyone on that team?

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:10 pm

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:"It’s going to be the Patriots’ 2014 version vs. the Ravens’ 2014 version and we go from there."

Except there's one thing that goes back a few years. They're still not afraid of you and you're still, well....


....not afraid of anyone on that team?

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Ray Lewis isn't on the Ravens anymore. And screaming in a guys face when you know he won't punch you in the throat (In church, a prison guard is looking right at you, there's 10 of your friends standing around, cop standing right there, tv cameras on you, you're so much of a pussy it'd be embarrassing to hit you, Goodell watching) is generally a sign you're afraid.

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:22 pm

Ha ha. Must have touched a nerve.  Why else would you bring Tom Terrific into this?


Hey, you mentioned "TB12". That particular marketing scheme went about as far as my "Georges play-doh pillows" idea went.
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:38 pm

George1963 wrote:
guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:"It’s going to be the Patriots’ 2014 version vs. the Ravens’ 2014 version and we go from there."

Except there's one thing that goes back a few years. They're still not afraid of you and you're still, well....


....not afraid of anyone on that team?

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Ray Lewis isn't on the Ravens anymore. And screaming in a guys face when you know he won't punch you in the throat (In church, a prison guard is looking right at you, there's 10 of your friends standing around, cop standing right there, tv cameras on you, you're so much of a pussy it'd be embarrassing to hit you, Goodell watching) is generally a sign you're afraid.

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Looks to me like all of Ray's friends are around him ready to protect him, and Tommy, unafraid despite being outnumbered, is on his own.  And besides, maybe its Ray who was screaming in Tom's face, and Tom is just saying, "You wanna say sumpin to me tough guy, come and say it to my face mo fo."

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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:41 pm

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Hey, you mentioned "TB12". That particular marketing scheme went about as far as my "Georges play-doh pillows" idea went.

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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:49 pm

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Hey, you mentioned "TB12".


I mentioned it partly for your benefit to introduce you to a new healthy lifestyle so you'll live longer, have less aches and pains, hit the ball longer and straighter, and make more birdies. 

Just click on the link and follow TB12's advice.


You're welcome.  Don't mention it.

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Post by George1963 Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:26 pm

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:
Hey, you mentioned "TB12".


I mentioned it partly for your benefit to introduce you to a new healthy lifestyle so you'll live longer, have less aches and pains, hit the ball longer and straighter, and make more birdies. 

Just click on the link and follow TB12's advice.


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Oh neat! It's gone from fashion to wellness!
First rule of marketing;
If you fall on your face, rebrand!

Not even a QB argument Gup.

As a sexy bikini model Manning is #1
Every other QB who's ever lived is tied for #2
Brady's last.
Seriously, do you ever wonder why he never does commercials, just print ads?
He ain't good at it.
Peytons better.
Doesn't have a thing to do with the "Who's the better QB" (Right now. Today. That's Luck. But then we'd get into the better QB vs QB on the better team thing)
It just occurred to me it's a stupid thing to be talking shit about.
PM gives all the money he makes on endorsments away.
I'm sure Brady's just as charitable.
I hope Luck keeps every dime he makes until he makes his way through his onerous Kraft CBA rookie slave contract.
Different subject, just on my mind because of Cam.
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Post by guppy Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:27 pm

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Oh neat! It's gone from fashion to wellness!

Ya, kinda like going from cookies, to cars, to pizza, to insurance....except more holistic, better for you, and living as One With Nature.  sunny

Allow me to enlighten you.  Not merely "wellness".  But a
way to train your mind and body to inspire you to propel yourself from the humble beginnings of the 6th round draft of life, to reach for the stars and become king of the world...like TB12 himself. Very Happy  But be forewarned.  Transitioning one's life to the new paradigm revealed by these cutting edge methods of modification in thinking and behavior is not something that can be learned overnight......especially by the likes of you.  You especially will require many intensive, specially designed sessions at the facility in Foxboro in order to properly re-wire your brain before we are likely to see desired results.




Peytons better.

You're kidding, right?  Seriously, how difficult is it to say about 6 words that a writer writes for you?  Any middle schooler could say "Better ingredients, better pizza..." just as well.  It is not a question of being "good at it", "no good at it", or "better at it".  Its a question of who you are.  You think the Haynes underwear company picked Michael Jordan to hawk their tightie whities because of his on-screen ability to convincingly articulate the quality of their product?  Or do you think they hired him because he's freakin Michael Jordan?  



I hope Luck keeps every dime he makes until he makes his way through his onerous Kraft CBA rookie slave contract.

Never heard it put quite that way.  Nor heard any agents blame Robert Kraft for forcing their young clients into a variant of slavery.  The very term "collective bargaining" (as in CBA) means the end result of what the working conditions and compensation structure that were agreed to for Luck and his peers was reached after a process of arms length negotiations between both sides - the employers and the group of employees, who were well represented in those negotiations.  How we make the leap from there to "Kraft the evil slave master", I'm not quite sure.


What does Luck make, and when is the contract up?  The question you should ask is:  Is the Irsay family taking advantage of their young "Face of the Franchise"?  Is that why Jimmy had all that extra cash in a gym bag in his car the night he got busted?  Lots of random cash lying around could mean he's putting in his pocket rather than fairly paying his employees.  Is that the conclusion we should draw?  lol.  

Young Andrew will cash in soon, no doubt, but in this world, pretty much everyone has to be a little patient and wait for their time to come.  Even superstar quarterbacks.
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Post by George1963 Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:37 am

I hope Luck keeps every dime he makes until he makes his way through his onerous Kraft CBA rookie slave contract.

Never heard it put quite that way.  Nor heard any agents blame Robert Kraft for forcing their young clients into a variant of slavery.  The very term "collective bargaining" (as in CBA) means the end result of what the working conditions and compensation structure that were agreed to for Luck and his peers was reached after a process of arms length negotiations between both sides - the employers and the group of employees, who were well represented in those negotiations.  How we make the leap from there to "Kraft the evil slave master", I'm not quite sure.


During the 2011 CBA negotiations, who was representing the college kids? And what happened to all the money they saved by putting a wage scale on people who had no seat at the table? I'm sure some of the people at the table (players) thought the money saved on the draftees would go to make up the giveback the owners wanted, but wheres the money? Revenues have gone up 12.5% since 2010, a year in which the owners made record profits, and the salary cap has gone up 9%. Which brings it almost up to what it was supposed to be before the owners opted out of the "unworkable" 2006 deal.
But thank God Bob Kraft saved football from that horrible Jonathan Kraft deal and thank God the players saw the reason behind taking a smaller cut of NFL properties a year after that arms profits went up (shhhhhh) 29%.
The 2011 CBA was a screw job of the first order. The owners lied to the players about the state of their finances, and the players figured they could ease the pain, at least in the short term, by passing some of the cuts they were being strong armed into taking on to future players.
You mentioned the players were "well represented". They weren't represented at all. They never have been. Every CBA has basicly been a take it or leave it thing. Including the 2006 deal. The owners got pretty much everything they wanted in that one. Then the economy tanked, their revenues only went up a lot instead of the whole lot they were expecting, and they opted out.
I mean, my God! Average team profits were only 33mil in 2009, and the Lions actually LOST a million bucks.
Something must be done!

I'm not a big union guy, never have been, but if you're in a business where your contract is only valid as long as your employer wants it to be, and you're required to keep working for him after it expires whether you want to or not, you don't have a union.
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Allow me to enlighten you.  Not merely "wellness".  But a way to train your mind and body to inspire you to propel yourself from the humble beginnings of the 6th round draft of life, to reach for the stars and become king of the world...like TB12 himself. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]  But be forewarned.  Transitioning one's life to the new paradigm revealed by these cutting edge methods of modification in thinking and behavior is not something that can be learned overnight......especially by the likes of you.  You especially will require many intensive, specially designed sessions at the facility in Foxboro in order to properly re-wire your brain before we are likely to see desired results.


Yea. I'm sure it'll be huge for him. Maybe as big as the clothing line was.



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Ok enough is enough. It’s time for me to chime in on Tom Brady’s Tom Brady hat. I know he’s been wearing it for almost a year now, but at first I didn’t even know what it was so I didn’t really pay attention to it. But lately it’s been fucking everywhere. Mark Wahlberg wore it on Entourage Sunday and Brady was wearing it at camp yesterday. In fact I’m betting that was part of the deal of him agreeing to go on Entourage in the first place. Wahlberg hat to wear it. So what gives? Brady doesn’t seem like the type of guy that would wear a custom hat with his name on it everywhere he goes does he? That seems more like something Brett Favre or Peyton Manning would do. So I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop with this. Like he’s going to announce that he’s selling them for charity or that his broke ass college friend needed a job and came up with this idea and begged Brady to wear it. But I’m just hoping this isn’t like his thing.   The QB shouldn’t be wearing a hat that his name on it. It just sends the wrong message. It almost makes me wish he went back to the Yankees hat.
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Post by guppy Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:29 am

George1963 wrote:I hope Luck keeps every dime he makes until he makes his way through his onerous Kraft CBA rookie slave contract.

Never heard it put quite that way.  Nor heard any agents blame Robert Kraft for forcing their young clients into a variant of slavery.  The very term "collective bargaining" (as in CBA) means the end result of what the working conditions and compensation structure that were agreed to for Luck and his peers was reached after a process of arms length negotiations between both sides - the employers and the group of employees, who were well represented in those negotiations.  How we make the leap from there to "Kraft the evil slave master", I'm not quite sure.


During the 2011 CBA negotiations, who was representing the college kids? And what happened to all the money they saved by putting a wage scale on people who had no seat at the table? I'm sure some of the people at the table (players) thought the money saved on the draftees would go to make up the giveback the owners wanted, but wheres the money? Revenues have gone up 12.5% since 2010, a year in which the owners made record profits, and the salary cap has gone up 9%. Which brings it almost up to what it was supposed to be before the owners opted out of the "unworkable" 2006 deal.
But thank God Bob Kraft saved football from that horrible Jonathan Kraft deal and thank God the players saw the reason behind taking a smaller cut of NFL properties a year after that arms profits went up (shhhhhh) 29%.
The 2011 CBA was a screw job of the first order. The owners lied to the players about the state of their finances, and the players figured they could ease the pain, at least in the short term, by passing some of the cuts they were being strong armed into taking on to future players.
You mentioned the players were "well represented". They weren't represented at all. They never have been. Every CBA has basicly been a take it or leave it thing. Including the 2006 deal. The owners got pretty much everything they wanted in that one. Then the economy tanked, their revenues only went up a lot instead of the whole lot they were expecting, and they opted out.
I mean, my God! Average team profits were only 33mil in 2009, and the Lions actually LOST a million bucks.
Something must be done!

I'm not a big union guy, never have been, but if you're in a business where your contract is only valid as long as your employer wants it to be, and you're required to keep working for him after it expires whether you want to or not, you don't have a union.


No doubt the owners obliterated the players in the negotiations and the final deal.  But the players were "represented".  Its just that their "representatives" got taken to the cleaners.  Its not going to change since its a 10 year deal with no opt out, so it is what it is.  But the way you use the name "Kraft" you make it seem like he's the lone bad guy.  He was just more out front than the other owners, that's all.  They all probably wanted him to be their public face and do the talking.  Do you think they would have rather had Jerry Jones and Jim Irsay in front of the mike getting hugs from Jeff Saturday?  Not a great visual there.  Bob is eloquent and widely respected, so naturally he ends up being the spokesman for the others. 

The owners fought hard, maybe dirty, and clearly they won.  How do you think they (the ones that didn't inherit) got to be billionaires in the first place?  Ruthless businessmen, most.  (Off topic, but calling them "ruthless businessmen" reminds me of a friend of mine from college who turned ultra conservative once he became rich and started getting pissed off when he pays his taxes, which he calls "wealth redistribution".  He talks about the Wall Street and banking executives who gave millions to NY hospitals so they could build new wings and clinics that are named  after them.  He praises these guys for donating their millions to the hospitals, and then shakes his head that "these are the guys Obama hates".  My take is, they should donate millions to hospitals.  Its the least they can do.  How do you think the chairman of Citibank personally got those millions in the first place, by doing good and helping his fellow man?  Riiight.)

I'm not at all disagreeing with your basic points about the CBA, which are good ones.  But hey, you're a part owner of the Green Bay Packers aren't you?  The Packers are making money hand over fist.  That must make you happy.  You're kind of a junior member of the Kraft, Jones & Associates Billionaire's Club.  You and your fellow NFL owners probably snickered when you guys had to give in on no two-a-days in training camp.  You probably said, "Oh damn, let the players have that one.  It will soften them up when we start talking about revenue sharing."    
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