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Post by Rick on Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:45 am

The Patriots opened as 3 point favorites against the Bengals this morning.
There are some stupid people running casinos.

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Post by guppy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm

Rick wrote:
There are some stupid people running casinos.



That is not often said.  But in this case, they look clueless.

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Post by guppy on Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:55 pm

Rick,




Here is my list of those to blame for this debacle of a team.... in decending order with those most at blame at the top:




1.    Ownership, for giving Belichick marching orders to put more emphasis on the bottom third of the roster and perceived "depth" than the top third of the roster and paying for legit first round talent and/or established stars.  Signing Revis was the exception, and not typical of their signings and draft choices




2.    Belichick the GM.  Always moving down in the draft to get "value" in the lower rounds.   Always signing guys with injury histories, thinking he can get them at bargain prices and then wait for them to make comebacks from their injuries.




3.     Belichick the coach.   The team may be tuning him out by now.  Terrible game plans.  No one has any passion.  No mental toughness anymore.  Not playing Dobson, Tompkins, and Wright to at least give them a chance at WR, and then not telling us why he sits them while at the same time Amendola keeps taking up a spot on the game day roster.  If he keeps sitting them, why the f*&k are they here?  No explanation.  This one burns me more than all the others. 

4.     The Offensive Coordinator.   He's predictable and unimaginative.  Awful, awful game plans and play selections in particular situations.  He just sucks right now.

5.      The Defensive Coordinator.  WTF is he doing?  I don't remember a worse performance than that loss.   I really don't.  That was Number One stink job, all time.  They looked lost.   

6.     The players.  Even though they (all of them, save Edelman, and Slater on special teams) have underperformed, they are last on my list because its not their fault that they are not being put in a position to succeed by the this inept coaching staff and management who are most at fault. 

Anyway, the problems right now are so numerous and cover so many core areas that it pretty much doesn't matter to rate which aspect is worse than another.

Even if they somewhat fix these problems by the time the cold weather comes, the only thing that we are going to be left with is a team that is good, not great, and one that can beat the also-rans, but gets exposed when they play the big boys and just disappoint us in the end.

Ahh, I feel better now.  The best thing for a Pats fan to do is lower expectations substantially, and if they somehow make some noise later in the season, treat it like a surprise that was unexpected.  After one quarter of the season gone, there is no more saying "Its still early".   Its not.   These are not knee jerk reactions.  

At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

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Post by Rick on Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:01 am

guppy wrote:Rick,




Here is my list of those to blame for this debacle of a team.... in decending order with those most at blame at the top:

Good list, and I hate when people go point by point in responding to a post, but I'm not critisizing, Im expanding. I think.




1.    Ownership, for giving Belichick marching orders to put more emphasis on the bottom third of the roster and perceived "depth" than the top third of the roster and paying for legit first round talent and/or established stars.  Signing Revis was the exception, and not typical of their signings and draft choices

Money. It's all about money. Always has been. The Revis signing, while I liked it, was more about eating up cap space than anything. They're very close to not making the 4 year cap floor that was mandated by the last CBA.




2.    Belichick the GM.  Always moving down in the draft to get "value" in the lower rounds.   Always signing guys with injury histories, thinking he can get them at bargain prices and then wait for them to make comebacks from their injuries.

You know whats "valuable"? Guys that can play!




3.     Belichick the coach.   The team may be tuning him out by now.  Terrible game plans.  No one has any passion.  No mental toughness anymore.  Not playing Dobson, Tompkins, and Wright to at least give them a chance at WR, and then not telling us why he sits them while at the same time Amendola keeps taking up a spot on the game day roster.  If he keeps sitting them, why the f*&k are they here?  No explanation.  This one burns me more than all the others. 

Why should he explain? He's smarter than you and you probably wouldn't understand.

4.     The Offensive Coordinator.   He's predictable and unimaginative.  Awful, awful game plans and play selections in particular situations.  He just sucks right now.

He sucked when they hired him.

5.      The Defensive Coordinator.  WTF is he doing?  I don't remember a worse performance than that loss.   I really don't.  That was Number One stink job, all time.  They looked lost.

Bring in the best cover corner of this generation and play zone. 
I think that about says it all. 


6.     The players.  Even though they (all of them, save Edelman, and Slater on special teams) have underperformed, they are last on my list because its not their fault that they are not being put in a position to succeed by the this inept coaching staff and management who are most at fault. 

Theres guys on this team that aren't that good. Whether they're not as good as they used to be, not as good as they were supposed to be, not as good as they've been hyped up to be, or just were never that good to begin with, theres guys on the Patriots that wouldn't start in Jacksonville.


Anyway, the problems right now are so numerous and cover so many core areas that it pretty much doesn't matter to rate which aspect is worse than another.

Even if they somewhat fix these problems by the time the cold weather comes, the only thing that we are going to be left with is a team that is good, not great, and one that can beat the also-rans, but gets exposed when they play the big boys and just disappoint us in the end.

Maybe normal people will be able to afford a ticket when the pink hats try to dump them.

Ahh, I feel better now.  The best thing for a Pats fan to do is lower expectations substantially, and if they somehow make some noise later in the season, treat it like a surprise that was unexpected.  After one quarter of the season gone, there is no more saying "Its still early".   Its not.   These are not knee jerk reactions.

Not at all. 

At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

I have come to hate that phrase.


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Post by guppy on Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:49 am

Rick wrote:


At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

I have come to hate that phrase.



Yup.  And while we're at it, let throw "Do your job" down the toilet too.

Its like the Patriots were this powerful kingdom behind impenetrable fortress walls.  But now the whole fortress is on fire and you can see the smoke from the other kingdoms miles away.   LOL. 
Sorry for that analogy, but I'm really into watching "Game of Thrones" right now.  I never watched it when it was on HBO, but I'm getting the discs now from Netflicks, and watching them in order one after the other, starting with the first season, and I just started watching the third season.  I'm hooked, and at the end of every episode, I'm left dying to know what happens next, and waiting for the next disc to arrive in the mail.  Its great not having to watch commercials. 

The kingdom in Foxboro is collapsing from within, and the king's subjects are close to being in full revolt.  lol.

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Post by George1963 on Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:55 am

At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

I have come to hate that phrase.



Yup.  And while we're at it, let throw "Do your job" down the toilet too.



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Post by Rick on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:19 am

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At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

I have come to hate that phrase.



Yup.  And while we're at it, let throw "Do your job" down the toilet too.



I told you both years ago you'd eventually come to hate the man.
So it begins.

And I told you years ago, I've been sick of his act since 2003, but I don't even hate people that have an actual bad effect on my life, let alone some guy who when you get right down to it works on a TV show I like watching.
It's just football.

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Post by George1963 on Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:53 am

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At this point its just better to say, "It is what it is."

I have come to hate that phrase.



Yup.  And while we're at it, let throw "Do your job" down the toilet too.



I told you both years ago you'd eventually come to hate the man.
So it begins.

And I told you years ago, I've been sick of his act since 2003, but I don't even hate people that have an actual bad effect on my life, let alone some guy who when you get right down to it works on a TV show I like watching.
It's just football.

That, my freind, is a very healthy attitude.
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Post by George1963 on Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:07 pm

The line's moved to Pats +1.5 btw. Not sure how they opened as favorites, but a point and a half home underdogs is as big as they've been in a while.
Still too low IMO.
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Post by guppy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:19 am

George1963 wrote:

I told you both years ago you'd eventually come to hate the man.
So it begins.


The problem is, what are they/we supposed to do? 

Who do they/we replace him with just so that when the Head Coach of the NEP steps to the podium, he is a guy with manners and decorum, and someone we can consider "likeable", but he can also coach?

If you're Kraft, you can't just dump him at this point.  He's entrenched. 
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Post by guppy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:26 am

George1963 wrote:The line's moved to Pats +1.5 btw. Not sure how they opened as favorites, but a point and a half home underdogs is as big as they've been in a while.
Still too low IMO.

Despite what they are obviously still capable of doing at home, I can still say they suck on the road. 

And they do.

Until they actually don't.
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Post by George1963 on Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:00 am

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:

I told you both years ago you'd eventually come to hate the man.
So it begins.


The problem is, what are they/we supposed to do? 

Who do they/we replace him with just so that when the Head Coach of the NEP steps to the podium, he is a guy with manners and decorum, and someone we can consider "likeable", but he can also coach?

If you're Kraft, you can't just dump him at this point.  He's entrenched. 
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 He'll leave on his own or at least it will be said to be his decision.
Why would Kraft fire him?  He might be doing exactly what he's supposed to do. Not lose, obviously, but cutting budget.
I even figured out why. (Maybe)
Why the hell does a team need to have 14 mil in cap space when there's really no way they'd need it.
You can't roll it over and there's nobody they really need to extend or sign that justifies hoarding that much space.

If Brady is, perish the thought, traded they'd take a 12.8 mil hit this year on the rest of his bonus.
Not saying that's the plan, but imagine the "value" in the 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks for the next 2 seasons that he'd probably demand from the Cardinals.
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Post by guppy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:32 am

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Not saying that's the plan, but imagine the "value" in the 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks for the next 2 seasons that he'd probably demand from the Cardinals.



LOL.  

I'm laughing, and you get high marks for your sarcasm here.

But as funny as I think that is, seriously, I can't really be sure that in the deep reaches of BB's mind, he isn't thinking exactly that.  LOL.  I mean, just imagine the possibilities.  He could trade Brady away, get rid of a player too soon rather than too late, and get enough "value" in return to field an entire practice squad.  Now if that isn't genius, I don't know what is.




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Post by George1963 on Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:40 am

guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:
Not saying that's the plan, but imagine the "value" in the 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks for the next 2 seasons that he'd probably demand from the Cardinals.



LOL.  

I'm laughing, and you get high marks for your sarcasm here.

But as funny as I think that is, seriously, I can't really be sure that in the deep reaches of BB's mind, he isn't thinking exactly that.  LOL.  I mean, just imagine the possibilities.  He could trade Brady away, get rid of a player too soon rather than too late, and get enough "value" in return to field an entire practice squad.  Now if that isn't genius, I don't know what is.




LMAO @ "Entire practice squad"
He could draft the entire All Big East secondary!
There's value there and you can never have enough special teamers.

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Post by guppy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:02 am

George1963 wrote:
guppy wrote:
George1963 wrote:
Not saying that's the plan, but imagine the "value" in the 5th, 6th, and 7th round picks for the next 2 seasons that he'd probably demand from the Cardinals.



LOL.  

I'm laughing, and you get high marks for your sarcasm here.

But as funny as I think that is, seriously, I can't really be sure that in the deep reaches of BB's mind, he isn't thinking exactly that.  LOL.  I mean, just imagine the possibilities.  He could trade Brady away, get rid of a player too soon rather than too late, and get enough "value" in return to field an entire practice squad.  Now if that isn't genius, I don't know what is.




LMAO @ "Entire practice squad"
He could draft the entire All Big East secondary!
There's value there and you can never have enough special teamers.


Oh, and how could I forget?  With that one swoop of dumping Brady for value, he could also prove his genius of drafting a QB in the second round last year, showing how he plans for the future while showing that he has the balls to give a HOF QB a "gentle nudge" out the door.  Lets not forget that part of it.




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Post by George1963 on Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:44 am

The guy's playing 4 simutaneous games of 3-D chess blindfolded while the rest of us are pitching pennies.
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Post by guppy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:45 pm

George1963 wrote:

The guy's playing 4 simutaneous games of 3-D chess blindfolded while the rest of us are pitching pennies.

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