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Post by LRJets on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:25 pm

Just to clear up something that I dont fully understand......[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gets fined $10,000 for kicking an opponent and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gets fined $10,500 for wearing his socks too low. So each of these actions are deemed punishable on more-or-less an equal level. Am I missing something here?

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Re: Irony, Favoritism, or Ironic Favoritism?

Post by Toddseahawks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:22 pm

Basically....10 k is the lowest fine out there. Pocket change.That's like a 100 dollar speeding ticket. Players bar tabs is more then that....
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Post by LRJets on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 am

"Toddseahawks" Basically....10 k is the lowest fine out there. Pocket change.That's like a 100 dollar speeding ticket. Players bar tabs is more then that....

The dollar amount is not the point. The point is the NFL is equating both infractions equally. They stress safety, yet fining a guy the same amount for wearing socks too low as illegally kicking a defender?





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Post by George1963 on Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:12 am

LRJets wrote:Just to clear up something that I dont fully understand......[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gets fined $10,000 for kicking an opponent and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gets fined $10,500 for wearing his socks too low. So each of these actions are deemed punishable on more-or-less an equal level. Am I missing something here?



And Bernard Pollard gets 15 grand for a hit that, with the way that game was being called, I was surprised even drew a flag.
Strange.
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Post by George1963 on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:08 pm

LRJets wrote:"Toddseahawks" Basically....10 k is the lowest fine out there. Pocket change.That's like a 100 dollar speeding ticket. Players bar tabs is more then that....

The dollar amount is not the point. The point is the NFL is equating both infractions equally. They stress safety, yet fining a guy the same amount for wearing socks too low as illegally kicking a defender?

From what I understand, they've fined Gore for it before, and warned him just about every week. Google image search him and you'll find more pictures of him with his socks low, or his pants pulled up over his knees, than you'll see with everything right.
He's a sock rebel.
Still, you'd think aiming a girlish kick at another guys junk would rate more than a uni violation.




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Post by LRJets on Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:04 pm

George, I posted a freeze-frame of Brady's kick. Could be taken in more than one way, but I saw about 5 seconds of that play in a clip, and it was definitely a "Nancy -type" of action by Brady. As flagrant as can be.
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Post by George1963 on Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:10 pm

LRJets wrote:George, I posted a freeze-frame of Brady's kick. Could be taken in more than one way, but I saw about 5 seconds of that play in a clip, and it was definitely a "Nancy -type" of action by Brady. As flagrant as can be.


LOL
A Pats fan would probably say that what he did was actually some kind of hard core Brazilian ju jitsu move he learned from his brother in law.
But putting aside the obvious feminine nature of Brady's move, the official story is that he texted an apology to Reed, Reed said everything was fine, and now everything is kumbaya with them. That may be true, but ut sure wasn't at the time.
Reed was miked up for the game and I saw it on NFL network. He was PISSED. Screaming at Brady and anyone wearing blue, screaming at the ref and anyone wearing stripes.
Totally bullshit.
Somebody on the sideline said "You shoulda broke his f*ckin' leg"
Which made it funny when I read this morning that the Ravens might let him test the free agent market and that the Pats would be interested if they did.
Don't see it happening.
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Post by LRJets on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:16 pm

Which made it funny when I read this morning that the Ravens might let him test the free agent market and that the Pats would be interested if they did.
Don't see it happening. (George)

With Belichick anything is possible. (See Randy Moss).

Ed Reed said today he wouldn't mind learning from BB. Stephen A. Smith said he should have waited until after the SB to show he needs no distractions this week.



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Post by George1963 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:32 am

LRJets wrote:Which made it funny when I read this morning that the Ravens might let him test the free agent market and that the Pats would be interested if they did.
Don't see it happening. (George)

With Belichick anything is possible. (See Randy Moss).

Ed Reed said today he wouldn't mind learning from BB. Stephen A. Smith said he should have waited until after the SB to show he needs no distractions this week.



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I know. He's said good things about BB, but they seem to me to be the expected, respectful things. And only when he's asked. Not the completely unprompted overt slobbering that Belichick will do.
I just can't see him with the Pats.
It depends on what happens this weekend, but if he moves don't you think he'd go someplace where he has a chance to win a ring?*
I know, at least I hope, it won't be the Colts. Big or even big-ish money for aged veterans, no matter how good their resume is not the way I think they should spend the mountain of cap space they're sitting on.




*Think that will rouse Guppy from his depression?
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Post by LRJets on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:00 am

(George)

It depends on what happens this weekend, but if he moves don't you think he'd go someplace where he has a chance to win a ring?*
I know, at least I hope, it won't be the Colts. Big or even big-ish money for aged veterans, no matter how good their resume is not the way I think they should spend the mountain of cap space they're sitting on.



*Think that will rouse Guppy from his depression?
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No player in New Orleans , participant or not would be crazy to throw out a wish list this week.

Steven Jackson when asked about what he's going to do in Buffalo repeats its bad ways again? "He said, a couple of adjustments, more competion, etc. should put us in the mix." Other players hoped for a brighter future with their present team.

Football is funny, one wrong word could mean disaster.

It started when Jim Ringo brought an agent (unheard of then) to Lombardi to negotiate his impending new contract. Vince returned a few minutes later to tell him and his agent to go to Philly, Ringo's new team.

Baseball and basketball with full guarantees allow players to do or say almost anything without fear of retribution from their team.

Exception, our luck Sanchez stays!

Hey Gup....come out,come out wherevere you are!Laughing
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Re: Irony, Favoritism, or Ironic Favoritism?

Post by guppy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:54 pm





*Think that will rouse Guppy from his depression?
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Not depressed. No longer take these losses as hard as I used to.




Hey Gup....come out,come out wherevere you are!Laughing



What's up LR? I see that every detail of Brady's kick, as well as the dollar amount of the fine it drew were of major concern of you guys. Not sure if you're advocating that $10K was an injustice or what? But you do sound far more upset than Ed Reed himself, who is not upset at all. You remember that I said fine TB even before the ruling was announced, right? My problem was not with the kick (which I put off as a brain fart or momentary insanity), it was with the decision to slide in the first place. He should have run out of bounds to stop the clock. As should have Hernandez on the previous play. Two opportunitiess right there to stop the clock and not waste a timeout, both not taken because of stupidity. Total and unforgiveable screw ups imo. Cost them a shot at the endzone before the half. As it turned out, the game essentially changed right there.

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Post by guppy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:01 pm

Ed Reed said today he wouldn't mind learning from BB. Stephen A. Smith said he should have waited until after the SB to show he needs no distractions this week.




I know. He's said good things about BB, but they seem to me to be the expected, respectful things. And only when he's asked. Not the completely unprompted overt slobbering that Belichick will do.


The whole debate on ESPN First Take was that Reed WAS doing unprompted overt slobbering about playing for BB. It was for that precise reason that they were calling Reed's glowing comments about BB inappropriate during SB week.



I just can't see him with the Pats.



Neither can I. Not going to happen.


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Post by guppy on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:11 pm

A Pats fan would probably say that what he did was actually some kind of hard core Brazilian ju jitsu move he learned from his brother in law.


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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:35 am

Hey, speaking of irony, bias, etc., just imagine if you substituted Patriots jerseys on the players for Ravens jerseys, and the plays in the SB all happened the exact same way. What would the talk be this morning? I'll tell you. It would be all about the pass interference non calls, which would have resulted in high pitched screams by haters all over the land about referee "favoritism" towards the Pats. But not to worry. Since it was the Ravens and not the Pats, its a completely different discussion. The Ravens D gets full credit for playing physically tough.



Let me ask you an interesting football question. If you had to pick a QB for your team right now for next year, and you had three choices: Eli Manning, Big Ben and Joe Flacco. Who would you pick?



Another random thought from my NE perspective. Although I love Gronk and Hernandez as receivers, I look at the Baltimore trio of Torry Smith, Anquan Boldin and Jacoby Jones, and I say to myself, we aint got nothing like that. Incredible athletes. Anyone of them can take it the distance on any play at any time.



On a scale of 1-100 how would you rate Randy Moss' effort in that game?



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Post by LRJets on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:38 am

What's up LR? I see that every detail of Brady's kick, as well as the dollar amount of the fine it drew were of major concern of you guys. Not sure if you're advocating that $10K was an injustice or what?

Good to "see" you Gup.

Again, it's not the dollar amount of the fine. That's "Toddian" thinking. It's that the amount of each infraction was the same. (Actually Gore's fine was $500 more for wearing socks too low?) Brady kicked Reed. Not quite the same as "an attire violation". Either way the outcome of that game was not affected.

Unlike last night's game.

The NFL has morphed into the NBA with the "non call" with 1:46 left in the game. Simms (who I love) played company man so as the referrees could not be criticized and affect the outcome of the game.

It might have affected the outcome of the game.

We'll never know. I do know only one receiver was targeted so it was not a non call, but a call that should have been called.
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Post by George1963 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:52 am

Hey, speaking of irony, bias, etc., just
imagine if you substituted Patriots jerseys on the players for Ravens
jerseys, and the plays in the SB all happened the exact same way. What
would the talk be this morning? I'll tell you. It would be all about
the pass interference non calls, which would have resulted in high
pitched screams by haters all over the land about referee "favoritism"
towards the Pats. But not to worry. Since it was the Ravens and not
the Pats, its a completely different discussion. The Ravens D gets full
credit for playing physically tough.

Do you own a radio? It's all they're talking about. More than one has wondered if the league gave the refs a let the boys play edict for this playoff season like they did in the early 00's.
Watching the Ravens and , before they were knocked out, the Seahawks it looked exactly the same as then. The refs were keeping their flags in their pockets and a couple of teams were taking advantage of it.
Let me ask you something, when the Patriots (and Broncos and Colts and Redskins and Niners) bring this up at the league meetings next month, with good reason IMO, are you going to call them whiners and say they "Got a rule changed"?
Nobodys talking about it. Jeez.


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Post by George1963 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:05 am


Let me ask you an interesting football question. If you had to pick a QB for your team right now for next year, and you had three choices: Eli Manning, Big Ben and Joe Flacco. Who would you pick?


Flacco. Same answer I would have given before the Super Bowl, and a different one than I would have given before the playoffs.



Another random thought from my NE perspective. Although I love Gronk and Hernandez as receivers, I look at the Baltimore trio of Torry Smith, Anquan Boldin and Jacoby Jones, and I say to myself, we aint got nothing like that. Incredible athletes. Anyone of them can take it the distance on any play at any time.



On a scale of 1-100 how would you rate Randy Moss' effort in that game?


Did he play?
Nah, I think I know what you're talking about. As much of a low life as I think the guy is, I'll give him a pass on that int. I think at this point he knows his body well enough that I think in his mind he thought the only thing he might have done by jumping for that ball is tip it up in the air.
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Post by George1963 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:16 am

Do you own a radio? It's all they're talking about.

Just in case you don't own a radio, or a tv or a computer, I'll say it. The Ravens got away with murder all through the playoffs.
It looked just like from 2000 to 2003 when the league acknowledged they told their officials to keep their whistles in their pockets and a couple of teams took advantage. The Ravens "Did business as business was being done" which was BBs explanation for the blatant PI and holding his team was doing back in the day.
It was wrong then and it's wrong now. If they think they're somehow catering to their audience in the playoffs by doing this, they're wrong.
If it's what they did. It's possible all the Ravens games just would up with lousy officials. silent
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:50 am

[quote="George1963"]Hey, speaking of irony, bias, etc., just
imagine if you substituted Patriots jerseys on the players for Ravens
jerseys, and the plays in the SB all happened the exact same way. What
would the talk be this morning? I'll tell you. It would be all about
the pass interference non calls, which would have resulted in high
pitched screams by haters all over the land about referee "favoritism"
towards the Pats. But not to worry. Since it was the Ravens and not
the Pats, its a completely different discussion. The Ravens D gets full
credit for playing physically tough.

Do you own a radio? It's all they're talking about. More than one has wondered if the league gave the refs a let the boys play edict for this playoff season like they did in the early 00's.
Watching the Ravens and , before they were knocked out, the Seahawks it looked exactly the same as then. The refs were keeping their flags in their pockets and a couple of teams were taking advantage of it.
Let me ask you something, when the Patriots (and Broncos and Colts and Redskins and Niners) bring this up at the league meetings next month, with good reason IMO, are you going to call them whiners and say they "Got a rule changed"?
Nobodys talking about it. Jeez.


IF AND WHEN the Pats, Broncos, Colts and Niners bring it up at the meetings, I'll let you know. You seem to have an eye into the future as to what is going to happen that the rest of us don't. Or at least you think you do.
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:55 am

[quote="George1963"]

Do you own a radio?


Just in case you don't own a radio, or a tv or a computer,



Thanks for the insults.

Guess now its fair to ask the same of you, given your (way off) characterization of the nature of Ed Reed's voluntary and over the top positive comments on the possibility of playing for Bill Belichick. Jeez.
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:08 pm

George1963 wrote:Hey, speaking of irony, bias, etc., just
imagine if you substituted Patriots jerseys on the players for Ravens
jerseys, and the plays in the SB all happened the exact same way. What
would the talk be this morning? I'll tell you. It would be all about
the pass interference non calls, which would have resulted in high
pitched screams by haters all over the land about referee "favoritism"
towards the Pats. But not to worry. Since it was the Ravens and not
the Pats, its a completely different discussion. The Ravens D gets full
credit for playing physically tough.

Do you own a radio? It's all they're talking about. More than one has wondered if the league gave the refs a let the boys play edict for this playoff season like they did in the early 00's.
Watching the Ravens and , before they were knocked out, the Seahawks it looked exactly the same as then. The refs were keeping their flags in their pockets and a couple of teams were taking advantage of it.
Let me ask you something, when the Patriots (and Broncos and Colts and Redskins and Niners) bring this up at the league meetings next month, with good reason IMO, are you going to call them whiners and say they "Got a rule changed"?
Nobodys talking about it. Jeez.



If you re-read my comments, I didn't say "nobodys talking about it". I said the discussion would be "different" if the Pat were involved. If it was the Pats instead of the Ravens, doing the same things, people would be screaming "referee favoritism", Goddell took care of his boy Kraft, cheaters, game was fixed, blah, blah, blah. However, since it was a team other than the Pats, the discussion is vastly different in nature and tone. That is my only point. When the Pats are involved, emotion and irrationality replaces objectivity. Just look at the title chosen for this thread as the latest example.
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:15 pm

LRJets wrote:What's up LR? I see that every detail of Brady's kick, as well as the dollar amount of the fine it drew were of major concern of you guys. Not sure if you're advocating that $10K was an injustice or what?

Good to "see" you Gup.

Again, it's not the dollar amount of the fine. That's "Toddian" thinking. It's that the amount of each infraction was the same. (Actually Gore's fine was $500 more for wearing socks too low?) Brady kicked Reed. Not quite the same as "an attire violation". Either way the outcome of that game was not affected.

Unlike last night's game.

The NFL has morphed into the NBA with the "non call" with 1:46 left in the game. Simms (who I love) played company man so as the referrees could not be criticized and affect the outcome of the game.

It might have affected the outcome of the game.

We'll never know. I do know only one receiver was targeted so it was not a non call, but a call that should have been called.



I think non calls with the game on the line in playoffs are common in all sports, not just the NBA. See playoff hockey. The whistles are put away while guys commit virtual mayhem on each other. Its human nature for the refs to want the game to be decided by the players on the field, court or ice. The last thing in the world they want is to make a controversial call that is going to make or break somebody's season.
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Post by guppy on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:44 pm

It might have affected the outcome of the game.

We'll never know. I do know only one receiver was targeted so it was not a non call, but a call that should have been called.[/quote]



Probably right. I think it was not called for a couple of reasons. One, both players were hand fighting with each other at points during the route; two, the ball was overthrown, and imo was most likely uncatchable inbounds; three, the ref just choked in the moment, couldn't bring himself to blow the whistle in such a big moment. Same thing happens in a regular season game, second quarter, then PI gets called everytime.

My point to George, which I really don't care one way or the other, was that in the Ravens case, its "one bad non call" that happened. If it was the Pats in the same situation, the cries would be "favoritism", "Goddell took care of Kraft", "game was fixed", etc., etc. The thrust of the discussion would be "different". That's all. File under the heading, "Irony, Favoritism, or Ironic Favoritism". LOL.
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Post by George1963 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:07 am

Just in case you don't own a radio, or a tv or a computer,



Thanks for the insults.

Guess now its fair to ask the same of you, given your
(way off) characterization of the nature of Ed Reed's voluntary and over
the top positive comments on the possibility of playing for Bill
Belichick. Jeez.

I had a big well thought out post yesterday that never showed up. Crap.
Anyway, the main part of it was this;


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the Super
Bowl
in New Orleans and getting ready to play for the Baltimore
Ravens
against the San
Francisco 49ers
, but many are already looking ahead to what uniform
he will be wearing next season. Reed
has already been linked to the New England Patriots
, and he was
asked about that on Thursday.
His response came as a bit of a surprise,
considering the situation, via
NFL.com
:

"I could definitely play for coach Belichick," Reed
said, Fox Sports reported. "He is a great coach. I'm sure he can help me
to expand my football knowledge even more as a player and as a coach,
so if I'm ever able to be around him, just like I was at the Pro Bowl,
it's huge."

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in 2013, but rather was complimenting Belichick.

It wasn't unsolicited, and I know that's not all he said, but it wasn't over the top.
It wasn't like he said BB was the best ever, or that he did things that nobody in the history of the game had ever done, or remarked on the majesty of his mighty beard, or mentioned him extensively in his book, or went out of his way to praise him in his little ESPN infomercial, most of which BB has done about Reed.
Polite respectful response to a question vs unsolicited slobbering.
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Post by George1963 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:22 am

If you re-read my comments, I didn't say
"nobodys talking about it". I said the discussion would be "different"
if the Pat were involved. If it was the Pats instead of the Ravens,
doing the same things, people would be screaming "referee favoritism",
Goddell took care of his boy Kraft, cheaters, game was fixed, blah,
blah, blah. However, since it was a team other than the Pats, the
discussion is vastly different in nature and tone. That is my only
point. When the Pats are involved, emotion and irrationality replaces
objectivity.

If you mean by the media, no. The discussion would be about the same. Particularly among the media that are in business relationships with the league and have a vested interest in them not looking bad.
If you mean among the "haters", then yea. Because the league does do things to favor the Patriots, Goodell does take care of Kraft, and the Patriots have cheated.
The only thing I'm curious about is why the Patriots didn't go into clutch and grab mode themselves. I mean, I'm convinced they had a let the boys play thing going just like they did years ago. There's no other reason the officials would have been letting all the stuff go on that they did unless they were told to. And you'd think when BB saw the way the wind was blowing he'd have his guys join in.
The only thing I can think of, and you can take this as busting balls if you want, is that they're not good enough.
They have trouble enough trying to cover clean, all of a sudden telling them to start doing it dirty, which I would think is a skill all it's own, would be too much for them.
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